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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 week ago (10 children)

The actual payoff is that it makes you feel better and keeps you feeling better for longer.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Why go through the trouble to avoid sugar, when I can just shoot some insulin twice a day and have my leg amputated at age 45? /s

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[–] probable_possum@leminal.space 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Self care and health care don't substitute but complement each other. I think.

[–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not just you thinking so it's literally truth. What's the first thing doctors want you to do?

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Stop helicoptering, put my clothes back on, and just sit in the chair?

[–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They never told me that, seemed to always be alright with it.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, that wasn't a doctor's office. You still make an excellent point.

[–] Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

They always told me it's small, but no one's called it zero dimensional before, you savage.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Me: "I landed a new job with good health care coverage! I can finally go to the doctor!"

Doctor: "You should improve your diet and exercise more."

[–] paranoia@feddit.dk 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You know we exercise and eat well in countries that do have "free" healthcare too right? And you have noticed that richer people tend to live healthier lives too, no?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

richer people tend to live healthier lives too, no?

YMMV. Richer people tend to have access to more amenities that can improve their health. But there's something of a selection bias. You don't see mega-millionaire celebrities like Chris Farley and John Candy or music celebrities like Amy Winehouse or Kurt Cobain around anymore because the Hollywood lifestyle caught up with them.

Cocaine kills plenty of rich people.

[–] paranoia@feddit.dk 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Celebrities are under a unique pressure that most rich people are not, which is generally non conducive to a long life.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Talk to any lawyer. Alcohol, more than coke, tends to be their poison. But as a profession, near universally, its a trainwreck.

Meanwhile, doctors smoke like chimneys. Software developers love their ket and mushrooms. God only knows what investment bankers are using.

I wouldn't call it unique. Just easy to toss out names everyone is familiar with.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I used to say the same thing. Then they dismantled the NHS to the point that using that free healthcare is so difficult and so inept at diagnosing things on time, that the only thing you have left is exercise.

I hope it does not happen to you

[–] paranoia@feddit.dk 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's not the point, at all. People, and rich people especially, live healthier lives because it improves your quality of life dramatically, especially as you age. If you are expecting to rely on healthcare to save you from a shitty lifestyle, you will die long before your time regardless.

[–] antimidas@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Precisely, additionally we're collectively too poor for healthcare unless we do our best to reduce the need for it in the first place. That's why many countries in the EU for example are trying to regulate people away from unhealthy behaviour. Healthcare costs are already disproportionately burdened by the workforce while those who benefit are people on their last legs, since your guaranteed necessary care (at least in the Finnish system). That's why there have been talks to lax the guarantees of the healthcare system for e.g. people over 80, who cause almost the majority of all costs.

The society is planning on the basis that I'll be a productive worker until 69,5 years old – that's the recommended age for starting my government backed pension. Good luck making it that far without a rigorous focus on one's health.

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[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"You can't afford healthcare" has a big brother named "You're already paying for healthcare monthly, but you can't afford all the copays"

[–] tmyakal@infosec.pub 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm paying for the insurance, but the nearest in-network provider taking new patients is a 90 minute drive. Is that a cousin to "You can't afford healthcare"?

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

That sucks. I went to the closest ER and it was in network but I could only receive care from a different provider on the far side of the city. Its a 40 min bike ride, granted not as bad as 90 mins but why does heath insurance skimp on actually providing needed coverage to local networks

[–] hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Ours is going up $100/mo next year

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is literally the capitalist argument against universal healthcare: "if everyone would get free healthcare, nobody would take care of themselves anymore, and costs would skyrocket"

When in reality, what you can do with exercise and eating healthy against many expensive conditions is only very little.

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You can still get an expensive condition despite living a healthy lifestyle. This comic is bullshit.

You live a healthy lifestyle so you can get a better quality of life. So you don't get out of breath by walking up a flight of stairs, so you have energy to go out after work when you're 40, so you get to play with your grandchildren when you're 70, so you don't have to wither away in a nursing home when you're 80.

[–] raoulraoul@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

"Abstaining from heavy drinking, eating unhealthy foods, smoking and womanizing may not make you live longer...

...but it'll sure seem like it."

Recalled as best as possible from unremembered source. 🤷‍♂️ Sosumi

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

What you can do is limited, but the impact on your quality of life can be huge, especially at old age.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

And the truth is that if people actually see their doctors regularly they are more likely to develop healthy habits.

If you see a doctor once a year you're probably going to catch problems early on, when they are easier and cehaper to treat.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even with affordable health care, which is the norm outside the US, you would still want to eat healthy and exercise.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also health care won’t be affordable for long if everyone just decides to indulge in unhealthy food and stops exercising

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 1 week ago

It actually will since old people cost the most. If you don't live to old age you're actually saving the system money.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Free healthcare won't save you from getting stroke at 40 years old, and this coming from a country with free healthcare but heart disease being one of the leading cause of death in the country.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Free healthcare won’t save you from getting stroke at 40 years old

It won't save you from the stroke but it will warn you of the symptoms and risks, then offer you useful advise on how to avoid the condition as it approaches.

And, for those who have family that have endured a stroke at a relatively young age (my mom suffered one in her late 40s), you'll discover its not a death sentence. You need immediate, highly professional short term care. And then you need a long term recovery plan, typically with some cocktail of pharmaceuticals to expedite it. Finally, you need regular checkups to prevent it from recurring. My mom's currently in her late 70s, no obvious evidence of the condition, and she's had a full, happy life since that very terrifying experience. A big part of that was access to professional health care.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago

People always tell me that they smoke and eat unhealthy because they don't want to live forever, and they somehow think it makes them sound hard af. My mom died of lung cancer and my dad is overweight as hell. Neither of these things seems fun.

[–] Awesomo85@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hold up.....do people think that "healthcare" is a viable alternative to proper diet and exercise?

Is THAT why Americans see "healthcare" as a human right?!

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I mean, every alternative to the garbage food we have is too expensive :/ been eating some baked kale with salt myself tho lately, super tasty, would recommend.

And people generally don't take good care of themselves. We're more likely to give our pets medicine than ourselves. But most Americans do not exercise anywhere close to what they should as well.

Idk. They did get rid of home economics in schools so nobody really knows cooking unless they were personally interested in it or had a parent teach them.

[–] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That was my reaction. I support universal healthcare but damn... comics like this make me think maybe we don't deserve it.

[–] 123@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't fall for the corporate slaver propaganda, everyone deserves healthcare.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

...swing and a miss with the lesson.

[–] maniel@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago

here in Poland we had a soviet joke about how "Soviet Union courageously solves problems simply unheard of in the Western world", you can say something similar about US now, like "United States cowardly fails to solve problems simply unheard of in other developed countries"

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not I. I get more discouraged the less society tries. If society is not going to try why should I.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I get more discouraged the less society tries.

I haven't seen a single prevailing trend within "society". Its a cacophony of behaviors and opinions and organizations.

[–] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

Exercising because you cannot afford healthcare offers the illusion of control, but it won't solve the problem

[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

You’re supposed to take care of yourself regardless bro

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I don't have time to workout regularly due to commute... FML

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Reform voters in 10 years time if they win the next election.

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