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There are things that you shouldn't be able to "own" as private property. We basically all agree that our fellow humans are on that list, but whether anything else is on that list is what outlines the spectrum from Capitalism to Communism. I do know that isn't technically definitionally correct, but the simple question "What things on earth should humans not be able to privately own and profit from?" is a pretty good proxy for knowing where the person you are talking to lies on that spectrum.

if people actually studied it in college, you wouldnt be so quick to supporting it without knowing the ins and outs of the system. people/tankies fantasizes it alot, without actually reading the whole meaning behind it. thats why fall very easily for the extremes of politics.

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There's a lot of propaganda.

If whichever nation gives it a try next bucks the trend and learns from the mistakes of the past instead of doggedly repeating them, it could go well for them.

i live in a "communist country" and communism does not exist

Good on paper, never works in practice.

Are we talking actual idiologie communism, the Red-Scare Version, or what some people say they are but are actually totalitarianists or stalinists aka dictators with red paint

Probably would've gone better if Russia hadn't been the first to try it.

We first need to figure how to produce, move, and allocate resources without the involvement of people. It needs to be fully automated so as to be shielded by bias that naturally occurs with human involvement as well as to have access to so much raw materials that there is no scarcity that necessitate prioritizing one group over the other. Something like, say, .

Anything beats capitalism

Only way forward

What kind? It's good to have it as an ideology amongst others to weigh and debate between ideologies and implementations of mixture of them.

We already have some communism implemented there is cooperatives, communal gardens , the fediverse. I think private companies should be allowed to exists but cooperatives should be more encouraged. I believe we should have a state and the concept of money too

I'm not an expert or an economist, mind you. I'm also jaded after America's change in power. It's a noble idea and a step up from capitalism. But while capitalism ends in mass surveillance and police states so the wealthy can profit, communism is similarly likely to lead to centralized identification, albeit with benevolent intentions. Allocating resources from the top down requires a system of administration, which is a hierarchy and an unchecked power. But Classification is the first step to genocide, and we've seen multiple times now that any country can fall to fascism in the span of 15 years. Just because you have a wonderful benevolent communist government now doesn't mean it'll always be that way.

Maybe there are ways around this. Part of me wants to say that only names and dates of birth (not race, gender marker, country of origin, income level) should be recorded, but even names in many cases can reveal a person's gender and sex at birth, which is itself a form of classification. Maybe you could have a single-blind ID system, only including a name and DOB, where only citizens have access to their IDs, and governments do not store that data centrally. The hope being that if people's needs are taken care of that the incentive to steal another person's identity goes away. There are flaws, I know.

Again, maybe there are ways around this. I'm more partial to anarcho-syndicalism because it can more easily exist without a centralized ID system. Having traditional government functions decided democratically among and between the worker-run syndicates also helps stop fascists because if any one syndicate goes fascist, they get cut out from everyone else's resources and get starved out.

However, if a communist government can exist without collecting data, then I'm potentially in favor of it.

Maybe we shouldn't have any -isms as totalitarian systems.

Some things should be communistic. Healthcare, infrastructure, basic needs.

Some things should be democratic: Municipality planning, international policies

Some things should have full personal liberty: Arts, religion, relationships.

I'm willing to try it, capitalism sucks!!!