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Take care of your mental health (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 3 days ago by Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/rpgmemes@ttrpg.network

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[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Hot take: jails are evil, so someone good would be more interested in rehabilitation

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are we debating the morality of pretending to be a fantasy elf again? Oh good.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

It might not seem more fun that way, but surprisingly it is.

See: BLeeM and how all his BBEGs are actually Capitalism

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: paladins aren't necessarily good, but are sworn to a deity or cause. Having a very inflexible code of morality and justice that you impose upon others lends itself to the punitive approach.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago

Fair enough. I could see a more "lawful neutral" sort of paladin being fond of jails. But usually the stereotypical paladin is depicted as good-aligned.

[+] Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works -9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Hot take: maybe evil people deserve evil treatments.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Are there "evil people" though? What makes someone evil? And what purpose does violence serve - does jail do justice for victims, protect our communities, or reduce the chances of reoffending? It turns out that the answer is no, it doesn't. A kinder approach also happens to be a more effective approach.

[–] Mesophar@pawb.social 2 points 3 days ago

In TTRPGs? Depending on the system, yes, there are.

[–] Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are there exceptions? I can see that being true for most people but you know some are just passed that point and rehabilitation might not be an option.

I'm personally not for evil treatments btw it was more a joke then anything but i can see why some could make a point for that being a correct option.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

If someone is literally a danger to society, sure. But (especially in the US) the jails are absolutely crammed full with people that, by and large, only committed nonviolent crimes.

And even for things classified as "violent crimes" - a lot of it is overblown or committed by people who would otherwise not be violent but were pushed to the brink by a brutal, uncaring society.

Incarceration should really be an absolute last resort reserved only for the worst of the worst, but instead we fill beds like we're meeting a quota because it funnels taxpayer dollars into rich people's pockets. (And that's not just the US, either, although we're certainly one of the worst ones for it.)

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 days ago

instead we fill beds like we’re meeting a quota

not "like", they are filling quotas

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sir, this is a ~~Wendy's~~ meme community for tabletop RPGs, the most popular of which has explicit good/evil alignment as a game mechanic.

You're not wrong, but this is a weird place for the soapbox.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago

Take offense to my original comment if you like, but people responded and so I elaborated. No one's forcing you to read the comment thread.

[–] phase@lemmy.8th.world 1 points 3 days ago

So the system is the reason (or the excuse)?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YhP8IXL0t6w

Side note: is it still valid with the new version which isn't a new version but worst than the previous? I heard some things are now people.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Honestly? Yes. There are evil people. Child abusers, Nazis, rapists, people who scam the needy... On a fundamental level, they don't care if others get hurt, and might actively enjoy their suffering. That's evil.

For these sickos, the only reason they don't do it more often is because something bad might happen to them personally (prison). And if they still do it anyway, then letting them go around without consequence is just enabling them to do it again.

I agree prisons don't do enough to rehabilitate inmates, are used to punish too many who don't deserve it, and often has way too much abuse. I disagree that the concept of prison is evil.

[–] phase@lemmy.8th.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But then who would take a Nazi in their group? Even looking through a fork it feels already so...

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Other Nazis, I guess?

And I never said there was a Nazi in the group, I was just listing people who are definitely evil as proof there ARE evil people in general.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

Sure, before, but do I deserve for that apparatus to exist?