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Yes, but bear in mind a lot of factory, construction, and industrial jobs are 7-3 or 8-4. So a working class laborer could go catch a happy hour with the coworkers or neighbors and be home by 5.
Also in the age of single income households men were often not expected to pull as much weight at home.
You guys are only working 8hrs? What a life to have. The company I use to work for extended their store hours in 6pm so 8-6 was typical with no overtime pay. Woww saying this out loud really makes me want to unionize.
Found the American.
In case you want real data rather than personal biases, the average us employee works fewer hours than the average new Zealander (or +62hr/yr ~1 hr/week if you use the oecd data). In neither dataset is the US at the top. New Zealand, Australia, and the US are all wayyy above the German/french crowd, though.
Even if the germans are taking two months off they're still only working 6 hr/day, which explains their pay (american engineers seem to follow the pattern of 1-it sucks here->2-what about europe->3-actually, I will accept getting 3x pay for more work).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_annual_labor_hours
Still do.
I've been alcohol free since 7th April 2023 but it's a stop on the way home to see mates that don't game online.
UK pub that's part of the community. We organise canal cleans / litter picks / quiz nights / charity events etc..
Pubs can be good and you don't HAVE to drink booze. Bars now..... They are a different story I feel.
On a side note I feel the ability to 'legally' drink (without a meal) from the age of 18 stops a lot of the idiotic drinking stuff I always hear about from over the pond.
Pub culture is definitely a thing in the UK though and I wish we had some of these neighborhood meeting places in the US too. They aren't necessarily a place to get shitfaced but to get a simple meal and a beer.
Fraternal/Sororal organizations used to be a big thing up to the 60s with the Elks clubs, Odd Fellows, Shriners, etc. We've lost a lot of that community glue.
Car centric urban design and pub culture are incompatible.
though alcoholism is bad, the lack of thirst spaces is a much bigger problem
*Third spaces
thirst spaces
I can't decide if this is a joke or a Freudian slip.
I was raised in a bar. My mother owned it for 40 years. Yes, same customers every day. They were all alcoholist but some of them stopped functioning. My mother Fed them, did their taxes, cut their hair. It's terrible and sad. The functioning alcoholists had a family to turn home to. I used to be an alcoholist until 10 years ago. My wife had to make me realise that drinking every day, even just one beer a day, is alcoholism.
Is alcoholist(s) term that means something different than alcoholic(s)? Never seen it before
No, I suspect OP's native language might not be English.
True, autocorrect switched alcoholic to alcoholist.
Alcoholist is an older word for alcoholic. They might be older, hence the older word
I'm old, but not that old :-)
I live in England, but maybe twenty years ago I'd go to my regular pub most days, have a couple of pints and maybe some food, socialise with people I'd got to know there.
Obviously that doesn't happen anymore, it's way too expensive now. Going to the pub or out for a meal is a rare treat these days.
My uncle was a factory worker and a daily regular at his favorite local bar for more than 30 years.
My mom wouldn't allow me to go inside the bar (because drinking alcohol is a sin, you know). But in the '80s and '90s, before cell phones, I knew exactly where to find him after school if I needed anything.
Unfortunately, 30+ years of excessive drinking caused a lot of really serious health problems that caught up to him when he was in his 50s. The owners and staff sent a huge flower arrangement and all came to his funeral.
It used to be a place for the working stiffs to gather and was priced accordingly. Nowadays capitalization has been overused to the point where a lot of businesses are pricing themselves out of customers.
Remember, no internet before this millenium, 3 to 7 television channels before cable, no TV before the 50s...
A lot of blue collar workers went straight to the bar after work 3-4 days a week.
I did sheet metal back in the 90's for a year. Typical day... start at 6, off at 2:30, bar from 3-5. Pretty much everyday.
Yes, even in countries like Austria. Saddest thing was that many men that were 'great pals' while drinking turned into abusers when coming home, making their families co-dependents and their lives hell.
For référence, there is an ancient in my village of 300 inhabitants that isbsaying that in the 60's, there were SIX bars in the village. For 300 inhabitants.
So I guess so.
Also for reference we only have a bread machine now, no shops of any kind.
we only have a bread machine now, no shops of any kind.
"We" meaning your village? Your village no longer has shops, but somehow shares a bread machine? Or am I totally misunderstanding this?
Yes
It's a baguette vending machine in the center of the village
Yes I am french
Used to be? This is still common in many industries and localities.
The divide between cultures and populations becomes highly apparent on sites like this, which attract a very select group.
It depends on (sub)culture, but mainly yes.
Bars were often cheap too, so going to the bar multiple times per week was not expensive. The reason these bars were cheap:
Also,
Worked in a pub in the UK.
Yes, we had regulars. They'd be there nearly every night after work for a quick pint before heading home.
Very few of them would stay for more than one or two though
These neighborhood bars in Boston were real. I had a GF who worked in a university lab where they would go to a bar after hours and she would bring me along. It was an old school Irish bar (even had pics of Sinn Féin members on the walls). I kept going after we broke up and ended up dating one of the woman who bartended. She would pass me free drinks. I was always a light drinker though, I just nursed them. This was mostly in my 20s. I did visit another Irish pub after night class in a different part of the city and the guy working there remembered what my usual meal order was. lol
Sir Patrick Stewart's autobiography has a heartbreaking account of his father's nightly bar visits, and it sounds like he didn't drink alone.
Yes. In my fathers time men would go there often for lunch and after work. I think some went home and then went over for an hour or two. Later it was still common but someone who did it all the time would be called a barfly but almost everyone did like friday night and pretty often thursday or saturday. Its diminished since and more and more bars have to sorta be restaurants or dance clubs or band venues.
me and my friends used to be regulars in a shitty pub where there was a group of older people who would be in there all day every day.
he was probably double my age but it didn't stop him coming over to our table and pestering me and some of the other women.
we didn't go in too frequently but the staff recognised us as regulars. we had to stop because some nasty people would come in on a specific day and one of our group wqs afraid of running into them.
Bartender from the US here. Im one of the few people i know in the industry that doesnt go out drinking almost every single night
I don’t know about every night but I know plenty of dudes who have a watering hole they go to weekly.
I do. Most other people that come here are regulars also.
Not much else out there for community.
Depends on the person. I think it was more common 20-30 years ago than now in some places.
I try to go to a local spot once a week or so for the sake of community. It's kinda fun.
My problem drinking happens mostly at home.
A lot of bars would have tons of cash on Fridays and bartenders would cash paychecks. Customers would pay off the tab and start a new one. Idk how common it is anymore. Most jobs I’ve had for a while will give a paper check if they have to, but discourage it as much as possible.
If I could afford it I would. Better than going home and sitting on my ass playing video games or whatever. Bars around here are too expensive though (just like everything else). I could drink for a month at home on what I spend for 1 trip to the bar.
I walk by some neighborhood bars, that are cheap and still some people go everyday like the Simpsons.
Videogames are better. I've come to recognize some of the "local drunks" that are there every day, they do be like Barney from the Simpsons. It seems a little depressing looking at them destroying themselves with booze.
Such a vague question merits the default It Depends™.