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Learn the Political Compass

Because politics is not limited to Left and Right, compressed down to it's minimum reasonable simplicity it is at least two dimensional. In mass media you see "Left" vs "Right" division, on Lemmy you see Lib Left vs Auth Right vs Center divisions, which are just as strong but largely suppressed by entrenched political interests especially in the US but also across the industrialized world where Lib Left has been suppressed by the capitalist political apparatus.

Note that most of the time when someone on the Fediverse decries "Liberals" they mean capitalist centrist in the "Neo-Liberal" mode. In some specific circumstances though you might see Auth Left criticizing Lib Left with the term, essentially insulting them by lumping them in with the Centrists. In other cases more in line with mass media you might see any Right position using the term against anyone center or left of center.

Essentially, Liberal has become a term only meaningful in context, and for that reason largely useless in common discourse. This is why the Political Compass is so useful a tool, situating political positions in their context, though of course it is flawed by being only two dimensional when actual political groups are very much multidimensional.

most other SOCIAL media, astroturfs left leaning communities with right wingers. its very hard to find them. and likely most of them were banned on other SC media.

I just kinda wanna know what your basis for this is? It sound outrageous because it is. Maybe it's troll farms, or bot farms? But anyway, it could also be that you are seeing a problem because you want to, you know we can easily find anything if we look for it these days

Congratulations on noticing the human tendency to form tribes.

It would be best to focus on policies and ideas rather than ideological alignement. The moment someone says "thats socialist!" "That's right wing!" Is the moment where no meaningful action is taken, where discussion ends since you suddenly decide that your alignment is irreconcilable and makes no outcome possible.

Might be worth looking at the behaviour of so called leftists on Lemmy.

Many of them openly support and cheer for russia's invasion of Ukraine and support summary killing of Ukrainians ("summary executions in Bucha [and beyond] is a BIA conspiracy!!!" is not a serious statement), openly state that Ukraine does not have the right to self-determination and generally support the extermination of Ukrainian culture, language and identity.

I am from Ukraine, from Donbas (Lugansk) no less. What sort of reaction do you expect when you see alleged leftists cheers for the total occupation of Lugansk by the Russians with BS like "Lugansk is free of da Nasizzz !1!1!".

Or what about Jeromy Corbyn fanboys denying Corbyn's open support for russian genocidal imperialism (keep in mind these type of things get reported in Ukrainian media)? The fucker literally worked for Russia Today (which is managed by russian intel) and cheered the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

As far as I am concerned, I hope all tankies meet the same fate as "Donbas Cowboy", Russell Bentley.

Bentley’s wife, Lyudmila, then claimed that Russian soldiers from a tank battalion abducted him.

According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.

Vansyatsky and Agaltsev are suspected of blowing up a car with Bentley’s body in it and ordering Bazhin to get rid of what was left of his remains.

Is this an unreasonable reaction to disgusting tankies? What reaction do you expect?

Nobody hates leftists like other leftists with a slightly different flavour of leftism. This is by tradition as long as the leftist discourse has been up. Plenty of people find it unthinkable with nuances or compromises even for communal goals that would benefit everybody.

Add to this that social media is inherently toxic and anonymity brings out the absolute worst in many people to spew hate for slight differences in opinion.

It's too bad but I'd recommend you to not get caught up in it and don't let it get to you. People are people and the chances that they will change in any foreseeable future are small. Keep doing what you think is positive and constructive and don't let others make you disappointed.

It's just tribalism. This is ingrained in us. Our group good. Other group bad. It's survival.

Doesn't make it right. Or logical. Best we can do is check ourselves when we have these thoughts or perform these actions. And to call out others who do it.

In my experience, we don't have quite that many leftists trying to rile each other up. What often happens is that some people want to character assassinate some others due to previous dislikes or because they oppose one of their core beliefs, so they try to blow up any "impurities" they can find in order to turn people against them. You can see it with people who get short term bans from leftist places and then get into year-long grudges.

Generally I would suggest people start ignoring people who constantly post and try to stir up drama about whole instances or specific subgroups of lemmy users. For example, I dislike intensely, like threads.net, hilariouschaos and lemmygrad and yet you don't see me constantly opening drama threads about them.There's some caveats in this statement, but it by and large, it applies imho.