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yes this is electoralism and no it doesn't belong in the newscomm and yes I should nuke the thread but no I won't because there are some good posts here and I know we all love our posts, don't we folks.
for any other prospective posters: american primary politics and related rumors is solidly electoralism, not news.
This site needs the ability to move threads between comms
Who care. Fall for it again if you want
I love it here on hexbear but it’s wild to me how hostile a few of us are to a large group of people getting together weekly to attempt to further the goals of socialism.
Attempting to further Democratic Party entryism is not an attempt to further socialism and I don’t know why we have to keep re-learning this every two weeks.
Let people engage in other tactics, this isn't worth fighting over
Since it’s central to what tactics socialists in the west should be using I’d think it would be very much worth fighting over, no?
I mean my main gripe originally was posting this in the news comm with big exclamation marks acting like this is big important news. The headline is literally just “somebody is considering primarying a Democrat!” It’s nothing. Not news even if you are pro-electoralist.
This was met with such doubling down and pushback that the clown on the succ session has to be started up
Ritchie Torres is just one rep and afaik not one with much power, but he’s known nationally for being an over-the-top Zionist. Defeating him might just be symbolic but I think it would a mistake to disregard symbolic victories. They absolutely matter.
It’s like with Zohran, even if he’s stymied and isn’t able to accomplish much, just someone with a class-conscious platform enjoying electoral success means something. It shows people are hungry for change and are more open to our ideas about class and society. And a symbolic win can give a good morale boost to all of us and help in all facets of the work we are trying to do.
Of course there are non-negotiables. If someone who identifies as a socialist is able to win material improvements for their constituents, that is good for us and building class consciousness. Someone who identifies as a Socialist makes some pro-Zionist comments? That is bad for us (and evil ofc) and there absolutely needs to be consequences. I just cannot vibe with the stark black and white thinking around electoralism that some of you have.
There is so much work to be done here in order to build the class consciousness necessary to be the foundation of revolution. Avoiding the political sphere (or any sphere) is intentionally ceding ground to our class enemies.
The same Zohran who just pledged to slash the department of education in favor of the NYPD. Yeah good ok