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Basically, the company had to pay for its own buyout when private equity firms KKL, Vornado, and Bain bought the company for $6.6 billion, mostly with loans.

Because the company then had to pay off those extreme loans, they were forced to sell off their assets and property, which they leased back from the very private equity firms that now owned them.

The same thing happened more recently with Red Lobster and JoAnn Fabrics.

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[–] Roopappy@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I watch the YouTube channel "Company Man" that does a bunch of interesting business stories. 95% of the "Decline of (brand)" or "Rise and Fall of (brand)" videos are because of leveraged buyouts.

A group of idiots borrow billions of dollars, throw the unrecoverable debt onto the books, slowly killing the company, and then it's dead.

Who loans this money? How does that work? I understand the rest of it about being a bastard who collects millions in salary and bonuses while driving a company into the ground. I just don't understand where the money comes from, or why.

[–] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

It may be U.S. plutocrat strategy to weaken political enemies by killing their companies.

Consider Microsoft destroying Nokia and their Linux phones to benefit fellow American companies Apple and Google.

Consider the Destruction of OkCupid as an attack against its liberal-skewed user base.

[–] tesadactyl@lemmy.org 4 points 6 hours ago

The best book I've read about private equity is called Songs of Profit, Songs of Loss by Daniel Souleles. It's an ethnography of private equity.

Private equity is the logical extreme of the idea of shareholder value. Companies are bought, stripped for parts, and mined for resources. The money comes from wealthy people and institutional investors like university endowments, pension funds, etc, and some years it is a very high-return investment. Other years, not so much, see the relationship by the University of California and Blackstone as an example in recent years.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 67 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

TIL: stock buybacks were considered insider trading before Reagan made them legal

[–] itztalal@lemmings.world 8 points 6 hours ago

The entire investor community is filled with shitbags.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 31 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Is there anything that Reagan hasn't fucked?

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Whatever he didn't got fucked by Clinton.

[–] Eh_I@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

"Bill! Get you dick out of the jelly beans!"

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 hours ago

He did not. Have. Sexual relations. With that. Policy.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] mapleseedfall@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Well he better get to work then

[–] Corelli_III@midwest.social 5 points 6 hours ago

Toy R Us is still a thing in Canada, you can just go there and get your kid legos like its 2002

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 27 points 10 hours ago

Did you know companies can take out loans to buy their own stock to raise the value.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 62 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

This is like me taking out a loan to buy a car and then expecting the car to make the payment.

And since all the debt is on the company and not the people/organization who bought the company, they don’t suffer any of the repercussions of defaulting on the loans. Why this isn’t illegal is beyond me.

[–] sleepundertheleaves@infosec.pub 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is like me taking out a loan to buy a car and then expecting the car to make the payment.

It's even worse than that. Imagine you bought a car from a dealership and were making monthly payments on it. I take a loan to buy your debt from the car dealership, sell your car to pay my loan off, and then expect you to continue making your monthly car payments to me. You file bankruptcy to get out from under the debt, but by then I've pocketed months or years of your car payments and come out with a tidy profit.

And then I do it to hundreds of other people, over and over again, as long as other rich people are willing to loan me money. Which of course they are, because running companies into bankruptcy is incredibly profitable.

Something something road to serfdom.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Well fuck … that’s even more depressing.

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Well, in theory it's the responsibility of the banks to not make bad loans. If private equity passes on their debt to the company they bought, and then that company goes bankrupt and the private equity walks away free, that's still the bank's problem and they're gonna lose a lot of money. Of course the problem is banks have a pretty bad track record about being disciplined with their loans.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 22 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It was illegal, then Reagan changed that.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

Because of course it was Reagan.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Elementary my dear billwashere, in one word: money.

People don't notice the leeches, so noone cries out. This enables said private equity leeches to ~~bribe politicians~~ make considerable donations to various political action committees. And believe it or not, politicians like money.

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[–] F_State@midwest.social 15 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Pretty much nothing in "the economy" works like it does in theory. It's always way more complex so the people with the most power and money can squeeze more exploitation out of it. I really like how this guy explains it

https://www.facebook.com/reel/976701137942045

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1LcJjd6Wosw

He's got a whole series on Private Equity

I think that's the natural outcome. that's the emergent behaviour of capitalism.

those with more money have more power and more influence to make the system better for those with money and power.

the rest, like almost all "economics" its just BS to hide that simple fact.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Sometimes teenagers ask me about how the stock market works.

I love explaining shorts, because the reaction is always “how does that even make sense?”

[–] F_State@midwest.social 2 points 4 hours ago

The short answer (ba dum, tisssss) is that some forms of mutual funds buy a little bit of every stock rather than picking and choosing. Then, for reasons never really made clear, they let other investors borrow those stocks as long as they return them later.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 87 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What will really shift your thinking is finding out that they have done this to almost all the hospitals in the United States, which is part of the reason healthcare costs have skyrocketed.

Hospitals need more to pay their leases, health insurers need to pay more to feed the hospitals machine, premiums go way up/more services restricted/more cost share (copay etc)

If you think it’s shitty that consumers can’t own anything anymore, they stole your wellbeing services while you were bitching about how little is still on Netflix these days

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

This is enough reasoning to say that capitalism is the single greatest enemy of mankind. The search for endless profit will kill everyone.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

Nono its the best system. All others have failed. You cant have the American dream without capitalism.

/LIES FROM FASCISTS

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago

Careful now, they're about to classify criticism of capitalism terrorism.

[–] itztalal@lemmings.world 2 points 6 hours ago

The culture of consumption is the greatest threat to humanity.

Capitalism, and even communism, are just means to that end.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 48 points 14 hours ago (9 children)

Yeah?

Isn't that the entire thing that private equity firms do? Buy up companies, sell all their assets to the private equity firm, then have them lease it all back for insane amount until it's bankrupt.

Makes a whole lot of short term profits, destroys the company and it's employees. No fucks given

Private equity firms are a cancer (amongst many cancers) on humanity

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Looks like EA is next on the chopping block.

[–] itztalal@lemmings.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Glad I stopped caring about the game industry.

Now it's just fun to laugh and point the finger at all the morons/losers getting taken advantage of for being stupid.

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 78 points 15 hours ago (13 children)

The fact that they can buy a company by going into debt and immediately transfer the debt to the company is fucking insane. Maybe we need to figure out how we as individuals can do that and just fucking crash the lending industry entirely? Can I make my house buy itself for me and then "whoopsie, the house can't pay the bills, guess it will file for bankruptcy and hand me a big ol' stack of cash".

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 9 hours ago

Can I make my house buy itself for me and then "whoopsie, the house can't pay the bills, guess it will file for bankruptcy and hand me a big ol' stack of cash".

2008 called...

[–] groet@feddit.org 32 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

That's how landlords work.

Take loan, buy houses, house has to pay back loan via rent, rent is paid for by renter.

Landlord gets house for free, everything paid by renter.

[–] SupahRevs@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

In this scenartio, the Landlord also owns the maintenance company, so the renter pays the wages of the maintenance advisor and maintenance costs.

[–] itztalal@lemmings.world 4 points 6 hours ago

As usual, renting is one of the biggest scams society has fallen for.

We only accept it as normal because so many people around us are doing it.

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[–] maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

They told US TARGET killed Geoffrery!!!

[–] adhocfungus@midwest.social 3 points 8 hours ago

Weird. I heard Tyrion did it, but he did claim he was innocent!

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