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[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We have builds like this, but not as big in Taiwan. They almost always have an area downstairs that the food is placed so people can come down and get it.

I imagine they also have the same thing in China.

[–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago (8 children)

D'you place the order before or after heading downstairs?

[–] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

I order first, then wait until the UberEATS or food panda person says they are close and take the elevator down to get it. Usually I take down my trash at the same time since the trash area is close to the main area.

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[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (19 children)

We need this in North America if we ever want to solve the housing crisis tbh. I'm talking Soviet-style, grey concrete commieblocks. Yes the buildings are ugly, probably lack amenities, cheaply constructed and not well maintained, but we desperately need cheap, dense housing if we're going to bring down the costs. Building more luxury Manhattan condos and suburban single family abominations does nothing to bring down housing prices.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah but I'd also like to see such huge buildings in the middle of nature. Imagine 10.000 people with their own daycare, school or even medic / doctor surrounded by fields and food forests so they can produce their own food. Generates it's own power, centralized super efficient heat storage system for winter, cleans up it's own water etc. And have a fast mass transport to the next hub, like a chain of such buildings a few miles apart linking to the next big city. That's my solar punk.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It's basically a whole city in a building. The big advantage for this is that the city is not taking up massive amounts of space.

American Fork, Utah, has 33k inhabitants on 19 square kilometres. The building in the OP has 20-30k inhabitants on 0.04 square kilometres, which would mean that if you house all of American Fork like that, you'd get between 18.92 and 18.96 of untouched nature in return.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I'm from Poland.

I’m talking Soviet-style, grey concrete commieblocks

So the commieblocks are always:

  • few minutes walk from school, kindergarten, grocery, doctor's office, post, dentist and bus stops
  • sane distance from another block
  • either surrounded by good greenery, or next to a park
  • surprisingly good quality
  • small elevator
  • little parking spaces

Vs "modern" blocks:

  • large elevator
  • the blocks are so close, if you open your window you could pee in the neighbours coffee cup
  • usually surrounded by pavement, cement, or car parking
  • better at noise reduction
  • you're more likely to need a car to go to doctor's office or drop your kids off, or go to the grocer.

To me the ideal is the commie era urban planning with modern techniques, but that's uncommon.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

With climate change cities can't be made without trees everywhere, they cool down the streets so much

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

Commie urban planning with modern blocks, exactly my ideal too

Though for density the blocks being close together is beneficial.

Oh and I’d like to see more ground floors of residential buildings used for services. Have a dentist in your building, small grocery store in the next one and a restaurant in another. Though I do think that’s becoming more common with new builds here in Estonia.

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[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago (5 children)

We don't even necessarily need those, fucking row townhouses like old Chicago or New York would be a massive improvement in space usage and density alone. Just modify the design to have a garage in the back and make the alleyway larger. Hell you could narrow the front road if you do it right.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

3-5 story housing with no parking works in France/Europe. No elevators/pools is huge cost savings. Room for cars ridiculously expensive where land is ridiculously expensive. Bikeable/walkable communities FTW. 5th story units would be cheaper, but young people need cheaper.

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[–] Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem is that, for the property owning class, the unaffordability of homes is broadly a feature and not a bug.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

For the property investor class. I assure you, the average homeowner isn’t happy about the idea of increased property tax, nor having to spend more if the want to upgrade to a bigger home.

Of course if you’ve got a mortgage and property prices go up, you can leverage that into and easier upgrade because you can use the increased equity in your property as collateral. I know someone who got a huge boost during COVID that way. Tiny studio to 3 bedroom. But mortgage payment went up 2 or 3 times too, so that doesn’t work if property becomes unaffordable altogether.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That’s how you create undesirable neighborhoods which eventually turn into ghettos. Many cities in Europe tried that and many of those neighborhoods quickly became unsafe and derelict. Like many of the banlieus in Paris or the Bijlmer in Amsterdam. Because people who eventually have the means to move out will leave asap. Nobody wants to settle in such a neighborhood. So only the poor and desperate stay. Which in turn means local business will leave as well.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look at how Vienna works. Contrary to other places, they did government housing blocks really well there.

  • The blocks are spread throughout the whole city. That means, there's no really bad place where all the undesirables are concentrated. This mixes the population. For example, I went to a school in one of the inner districts. In my class we had fresh immigrants that could hardly speak German. We had kids from poor families. We had middle class kids. We had kids who's parents were immigrants but who were born there. We had a kid who's parents played in the Vienna Philharmonic. We had two really rich kids descending from former nobility. We had a kid who was the son of a well-known lawyer.
  • The blocks do have an income limit when you get the flat, but that limit is very high (it easily covers everyone in the middle class) and it only applies when you move in. If your income increases afterwards you can still stay in that flat and still pay the same as anyone else. That means that you got a decent mix of people living in these blocks. There's not only poor people there.
  • Most of the blocks are actually really nice. There's parks between the blocks with nice, old trees. Many of the blocks even have swimming pools or other special extras.

Check out for example this one here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alterlaa

It can be done well. It doesn't have to be crap.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Yeah but that’s different from what the poster above is suggesting. They literally said cheaply build and no amenities.

I agree with the general mission of FuckCars, but it always seems full of people who don't care about anything of what goes into a prosperous city that isn't the amount of cars on the road.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, there aren’t really any Estonians moving to Lasnamäe. Some live there because it’s cheap, but you’re going to have to speak Russian to talk to your neighbours. Of course if you do, you can get drugs fairly easily, which is a plus.

It’s not actually unsafe or super criminal though, it’s just very undesirable and tends to attract the lower strata.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We need mass housing, but also a focus on aesthetics.
I noticed my area has done a nice job after visiting Chicago. Chicago was concrete, roads and parking lots, and barren. Fly back to metro Vancouver and even worst neighborhood has beautitul construction, parks, trees and flower beds everywhere.

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[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago

Cheap construction and poor maintainability is more expensive in the long run, I think it's possible to create affordable housing while still having longevity and a reasonable access to amenities in mind.

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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Betcha the delivery guy delivers for one or more from many takeout food spots that are probably located inside the building itself.

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[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

So it's Peachtree towers in MegaCity 1.

Judge Dredd approves.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 112 points 3 days ago (4 children)

In reality buildings like this have a mailroom where packages are dropped.

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 61 points 2 days ago

Correct, and the drop-off and pick-up is done through QR codes over WeChat, here is a (German) documentary about this very building showing the process:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgVXPEORuA0&t=724s

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[–] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

High density housing bad and dystopian. Homelessness good. Now build more single family homes with lawns pls. /s

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China: Bulldozes Kowloon Walled City

Also China:

[–] superweeniehutjrs@lemmy.world 71 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Imagine the parking required if this were in the states

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Sorry mate, elevator is out of service because someone pulled the fire alarm

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Something weird and amazing about China is the changes in verticality. You can walk into a building off a plaza, take the elevator DOWN ten levels…and walk out onto a street.

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