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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That’s how you create undesirable neighborhoods which eventually turn into ghettos. Many cities in Europe tried that and many of those neighborhoods quickly became unsafe and derelict. Like many of the banlieus in Paris or the Bijlmer in Amsterdam. Because people who eventually have the means to move out will leave asap. Nobody wants to settle in such a neighborhood. So only the poor and desperate stay. Which in turn means local business will leave as well.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look at how Vienna works. Contrary to other places, they did government housing blocks really well there.

  • The blocks are spread throughout the whole city. That means, there's no really bad place where all the undesirables are concentrated. This mixes the population. For example, I went to a school in one of the inner districts. In my class we had fresh immigrants that could hardly speak German. We had kids from poor families. We had middle class kids. We had kids who's parents were immigrants but who were born there. We had a kid who's parents played in the Vienna Philharmonic. We had two really rich kids descending from former nobility. We had a kid who was the son of a well-known lawyer.
  • The blocks do have an income limit when you get the flat, but that limit is very high (it easily covers everyone in the middle class) and it only applies when you move in. If your income increases afterwards you can still stay in that flat and still pay the same as anyone else. That means that you got a decent mix of people living in these blocks. There's not only poor people there.
  • Most of the blocks are actually really nice. There's parks between the blocks with nice, old trees. Many of the blocks even have swimming pools or other special extras.

Check out for example this one here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alterlaa

It can be done well. It doesn't have to be crap.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah but that’s different from what the poster above is suggesting. They literally said cheaply build and no amenities.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 7 points 2 days ago

I agree with the general mission of FuckCars, but it always seems full of people who don't care about anything of what goes into a prosperous city that isn't the amount of cars on the road.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, there aren’t really any Estonians moving to Lasnamäe. Some live there because it’s cheap, but you’re going to have to speak Russian to talk to your neighbours. Of course if you do, you can get drugs fairly easily, which is a plus.

It’s not actually unsafe or super criminal though, it’s just very undesirable and tends to attract the lower strata.