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[–] Zink@programming.dev 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, this is terrible garbage, but if Google is going to fully ruin Android then at least the news being out might push resources towards mobile Linux faster.

I'm actually using an old iphone. I look at it like an appliance to connect with mainstream institutions (including local people like other school parents), and take pictures. I have other appliances of varying complexity up to and including my car that run systems I know nothing about as well. I'm not happy about that either, but these are the compromises that happen in the real world.

The closed system isn't appealing to me, but the mass market appeal of the device is. A stunning majority of my direct acquaintances use it. It can streamline interactions sometimes.

And you know, I don't trust them of course, but at least Apple has actually said out loud in high profile presentations that privacy is a fundamental human right, and they always point out when they can keep personal things on-device. And they fight orders to unlock phones. Plus they make their money on hardware sales and services for the most part.

Google, on the other hand, exists pretty much solely to vacuum up data and keep us online and cloud-connected. They typically get major points for interoperability from me, but then I ask how often is it just a cynical embrace/extend/extinguish strategy?

Any big mainstream phone now is just a locked down disposable product of a megacorp. It's also a data scraping tendril of said megacorp loaded with sensors and a fast data connection. And now as a bonus for those of us in the US - it's probably a convenient backdoor warrantless wiretap that the oligarchs can just accidentally forward the government the passwords to.

My COMPUTER runs Linux. I can't wait until I can have a real linux computer in the form factor of a high quality phone.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have an old phone how would I install Linux and still use it as a phone, for texting etc?

Look at postmarket OS. Unless you are really lucky, texting, calling, wifi, etc is not or barely working.

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[–] edgyspazkid@lemmy.wtf 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I have a question for all Pixel/Graphen OS users. Will these changes affect new users (I am currently interested in purchasing a Pixel 8 to install Graphen OS for the first time and want to use apps from outside the Google Store) and current users (if I want to install an app on GraphenOS, e.g. via F-droid or Aurora Store, will I be able to do so in the future, or is there no information on this and only time will tell)?

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 200 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Take the one thing Android has over Apple away. Why go Android then? Might as well go with the device that has close ties to the hardware. Guess we are going back to the days when only nerds that knew how to flash better roms will be using Android.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago

Take the one thing Android has over Apple away. Why go Android then

They've passed the critical mass wherein they can dictate anything they want without losing any significant userbase. The only people that this is going to affect is a tiny minority of people who even know what sideloading is. If you don't think so, you're in a bubble.

These fuckers never wanted to be user centric opposite to apple, they wanted to be alongside apple in telling users what they can or cannot do. They're worse because of the whole advertising monopoly but most people don't even know what any of the above matters. They'll continue on like everyday.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Guess we are going back to the days when only nerds that knew how to flash better roms will be using Android.

Google is closing those gates as well. Pixel 10 drivers aren't in the new AOSP build. Graphene has been updated to the Android 16 core, but as Google tightens the leash, it will be more difficult. Google's plan to combine ChromeOS and Android into a MegaBloat will further make it so AOSP is useless.

Every time Google releases a new app for the core OS, they stop supporting the open-source flavor of it, which is why apps like the AOSP messaging app can't do RCS. Eventually all that will be left of AOSP is a mostly useless husk.

Google's intended use case for AOSP going forward is for vendors to be able to test pre-release things, primarily in an emulator environment.

Couple that with things like Samsung's Qualcomm phones can't be bootloader unlocked, and less and less phones in general can be bootloader unlocked, it is going to be an uphill battle for alt OSes.

Hopefully, this will drive enough dev time towards getting a proper Linux-based mobile device in the works, but even that will be problematic as most modems/chips available for that kind of project are inferior, slow, do not support all the bands/modes of modern carrier networks, and even after all of that, the carrier can still reject to certify the device for the network.

It isn't hopeless, but everyone is going to have to get creative and driven if we have any intention of retaining free and open mobile devices.

[–] MalReynolds@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago

Well said, and you're right, it's not hopeless. Most people don't need the latest superphone, personally I want to carry around a good music device, that I can read books on, and preferably have maps. Many like cameras, but I like the idea of a devoted one. The communications (/surveillance) device is a separate thing and perhaps we should think seriously about breaking these things apart, hotspot that you turn on when needed for example. How about a nice general purpose pocketable linux gadget and a secure simple telecom to give it a connection?

[–] xep@discuss.online 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

https://opendevices.ix5.org/

There is still this. SONY's phones are expensive, unfortunately.

[–] No1@aussie.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'll never buy another Sony phone or Sony anything if I can help.

I bought one and used it to miracast to various devices.

With an update, they removed miracast capability on the phone. The same way they removed Linux from the PS3.

Will never trust them or buy Sony anything again.

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[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 64 points 1 day ago (26 children)

Many are going even further. Both my friend and I are planning to get dumb flip phones next. Forget also this smartphone always online stuff

[–] Varying9125@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (7 children)

no option for secure messaging on a flip phone

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yeah, these flip phone people sound very dumb to me. you don't like google so you're just gonna hand over all your data and conversations by using unencrypted SMS and phone calls instead? πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Reject Phones

Return to Ham Radios and Morse code, with One Time Pad layered on top of it for encryption

You would be surprised. Most modern β€œdumb phones” run KaiOS which has an App Store.

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[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

this is honestly my ideology at the moment... like freedom was the main reason I'm on android. Price wise it's already getting close, and most flagships have removed microSD card support by now. I'm seriously debating my next phone being an iphone just because most of my family uses them, and my convenience being on android is being actively removed anyway.

I can't even imagine that transfer, I've been android my entire life but, every time I talk to my family I list what I want in a phone, and every time I talk to them it seems apple has marked another issue off the list with an update.

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[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Guess we are going back to the days when only nerds that knew how to flash better roms will be using Android.

Will we even have that? IIRC, Google's changing the open source model for Android so its going to be a lot harder from ROM devs to keep up to date with security patches, and then more importantly, have access to device drivers

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Lol this is old news brah πŸ˜…

Still waiting my Moto G 5G 2024 to have the "Allow OEM Unlocking" option to become un-greyed... it's currently day 2/7 I think?

(supposedly it takes 7 days after being connected to the internet, even tho I already got the unlock code... πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ)

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

My last phone was Moto G 5G and it got destroyed...

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Did you drop it, or are you saying its motorola's fault?

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[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Would you mind letting me know if it works out? Was thinking of getting a Moto G, I'm using an elderly Samsung and no way will I replace it with another Samsung.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if the same issues are present in the phone you guys are referring to but I had a terrible experience with a G35. More here https://samartean-rares.com/moto-g35-terrible-software-decent-hardware-117 . Idk use your own judgement ofc but perhaps be wary that what you buy won't be hot garbage. That G35 that I had truly was hot garbage, but it's an entry level phone I guess.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the heads up. Yeah it's hard to know what's going to be a pile of shit. I had a good experience with a moto previously - but that was maybe ten years ago, a lot could have changed since then.

I'm looking for something mid range I guess, Β£500 max. I've always had cheaper phones and I'm tired of being frustrated with a device I use so much so I'm gonna spend a bit more on the next one.

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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 50 points 1 day ago (16 children)

We kind of need the Linux Foundation or Fairphone or similar to fork android or create a solid base for an alternative. Otherwise, we are screwed.

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[–] shifty@leminal.space 58 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)
[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

So any rumors on that major Android OEM?

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Android's future goes bleak as updates passby.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 19 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Build up graphene and Linux phones!

[–] BCBoy911@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

GrapheneOS is probably not long for this world with how much Google has been fucking with AOSP's source code releases. We need full-fat mainline Linux on our phones, with no Android code included.

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[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Sounds like I'll be using a "phone" with Ubuntu Touch or similar with a VoIP SIP app running. As long as I have 4G/5G data, that'll probably work as well as anything I'm willing to use.

For me, this has the added bonus of being able to configure my VoIP service however I want. Mine lets me do custom menus and such, easier to filter out robots that way.

Let's see if I have an old Pixel 3a around...

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[–] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

While it sucks at least they say adb install will continue to work (for now)
https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/faq

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can we update without adb? If updating all the apps also require ADB, this will get annoying fast.

If EU doesn't step in, I'm moving to custom ROM

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cans and string are about to make a comeback?

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