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Hi, all. So I want to set up a media server using my Raspberry Pi. It will be used by me and my partner, who is very much tech illiterate. She knows how to use Plex, but I'm tempted by the open nature of Jellyfin. How steep is the learning curve there? Should I just go with Plex and keep it simple? Or is Jellyfin manageable if I set it up for her?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Jellyfin all day every day

It still has issues to fix but it's open source and actually yours

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 83 points 3 days ago (1 children)

friends don't let friends use plex.

its paywalling yourself

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Conversely, letting friends use your Jellyfin is complicated.

[–] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tailscale and share the jellyfin node with friends. No need to have ports open or any DNS stuff. Clients are available for all systems.

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can you explain to my mom how to install tailscale on her Roku and that she has to turn it on each time she wants to use Jellyfin but then back off again when she wants to watch something on a different app?

[–] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why exactly would they ever need to turn VPN off again? It’s not like all their traffic will go through it if it’s on, unless you specifically configure stuff that way (exit node, routes).

And one option to do the VPN stuff is on their router too, so it’s totally transparent to them. More stuff to configure though, unless running owrt or some other router software compatible with Tailscale.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As far as I understand, Tailscale (being a Wireguard network) doesn't need you to flip it off and on - if you're connecting to the relevant endpoint it gets routed through that, otherwise it just goes the normal way.

Not gonna pretend that means the setup is trivial to nomies, but you could probably set it up for them and not have to worry about it.

[–] Dultas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but it doesn't auto connect on a lot of devices. So if you restart the device you have to reconnect. Tech illiterate people struggle with this concept.

[–] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Have zero knowledge of Roku but for example with AppleTV boxes it is totally fire and forget, Tailscale is always on in the background and apps will find my media servers through it.

And I’ve noticed even tech illiterate people will learn to become literate when there is some motivation, like a huge movie archive :) Flipping a preference like VPN on if they want to use certain app is certainly within realm of possibility.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 6 points 3 days ago

reverse proxy that shit

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[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Plex is an enterprise solution, if you need your tech illiterate grandma to access the media it's easier to pay them. If it's just a local network or you're okay with going down a rabbit hole of setup, then Jellyfin does everything and does it better IMO (Plex requires you to be online to login before it shows you your local data, plus you're sharing information on what media files you have to Plex).

I personally have been using Jellyfin for years, and my only complain is that the LG app is slow and I get some videos that stuck for a few seconds in it (probably some codec thing, that I could fix by transcoding the media but I haven't been bothered enough to figure it out)

[–] sonofearth@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For a perfect FOSS route? Jellyfin. It isn’t difficult to use at all for a normie — just select and play. Even my mom uses it.

But I wouldn’t put either on a raspberry Pi if you have media in formats like AV1 and/or in 4k and gonna play it on screens older than 5 years old. Transcoding will be extremely sluggish even on the newer Pis. Instead get a 11th gen (intel), ryzen 6000 (amd) cpus or newer OR rtx 40 series or newer GPU (dedicated gpu is faster with 4k). You can get powerful hardware if you plan to expand your self hosted stack.

I got a N100 mini PC with 16 GB RAM 6 months back thinking I will be running only Jellyfin, Vaultwarden, Nginx Proxy Manager, Pihole, arr stack and Firefly iii. Now I have Immich, Paperless-ngx, Yamtrack, Baikal, Authentik, Calibre Web — around 40 containers. So my RAM is at 70% usage at this point. I learnt my lesson that self-hosting is a rabbit hole and I should have gotten beefier hardware.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I agree. Jellyfin is great. After dropping my beloved Pi and switching to a refurbished Dell Wyse 5070 with DietPi every headache is gone. Again: Use DIETPI!

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Jellyfin all the way. But I wouldn't run it on a pi, I would look for something beefier.

[–] WhyAUsername_1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I never needed transcoding. So jellyfin ran on my Raspi4 for a couple of years. Never faced any issues to be honest. Major issue was hard disk getting disconnected, but then again I had faulty SATA to USB connectors.

[–] Novocirab@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, unless one happens to have one of the beefier Raspi 4 or Raspi 5 variants (which, of course, would be an overpriced choice if their sole purpose is to be a home server). To give specific recommendation for cost-effective beefier home server hardware: Used Thin Clients. For example, Dell T530 Wyse (or T520, or T540, or the 6x0 series).

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[–] melfie@lemy.lol 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I ran it on a RPi4 years ago, but it didn’t perform well enough. It performs fine on an old laptop, but not so much in a Pi from my experience. Can’t speak to the RPi5, though.

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

Yeah mine is an rpi3 and I wouldn't even consider running jellyfin on it

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I haven't heard of any learning curve with Jellyfin. It seems easy to set up, and the apps are about as user friendly as you can get (especially the third party ones)

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Only learning curve is naming. Jellyfin seems less forgiving about filenames and folder structure than Plex was.

[–] BremboTheFourth@piefed.ca 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

On the other hand, jellyfin's identify feature works better than plex's did for me, and it lets you rename stuff very easily whereas Plex needed you to find the exact piece of media in a database.

My mom asked me to rip a set of weirdo bootleg tai chi DVDs years ago, back when I used Plex, but I couldn't figure out how to get them to show up in the library because, again, weirdo bootleg media and I have no idea where she got them. But I switched to jellyfin last year and on a whim decided to mess with them, and getting them to show up in my jellyfin library was basically automatic

Edit, another fun example of fucking with Plex's identify feature just came to mind. For some reason it kept deciding that random movies were actually some movie named "A Fish Called Wanda." I'd never heard of it before, the movies it would misidentify were entirely random as far as I could tell, and no amount of fuckery would get it to identify the movie correctly. It would decide that, say, The Matrix was actually AFCW, I'd remove the files for The Matrix, and it would decide something else was AFCW. Eventually I got fed up and downloaded an actual copy of AFCW, but it still refused to play the correct files if I navigated to AFCW in my library. Never did figure that one out.

[–] boomzilla@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago

You should definitely watch "A Fish Called Wanda" though. It's a classic.

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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 16 points 3 days ago

Plex vs Jellyfin is a lot like Windows vs Linux in my view.

There are things in Plex you can point to that you think keep you from moving. I point to things in Plex I am glad I left behind.

[–] gumibo@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

neither, the raspberry pi doesn't have a gpu to deal with transcoding so it's gonna be frustrating when ur trynna watch or listen to anything (its gonna keep buffering). i highly recommend checking out your local auctions from big business or government that are giving away old mini computers and use that as a self-hosting measure instead (no more than 100$). raspberry pi is kind of a scam ngl since you can get much better hardware for cheaper, ur paying for a brand image

[–] Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What are you on about? I've been hosting Plex on my raspberry pi without issue for literal years lol

[–] gumibo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

what sort of stuff do you play on plex? and do you use the pi for other hosted services?

[–] Suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I play 4k and 1080p HD stuff all the time with 5.1 surround at home and when I travel. It also runs my pihole and I have a rudimentary raid 1 (def not real raid 1) running with the rsync command to mirror my media drive that backs my data up every day at midnight. It's a punchy little fucker.

I don't disagree that you're generally paying for the name but it my 4b w/ 8GB ram I got as a gift kicks ass. There are definitely better machines out there but the pi can handle lots of what I ask of it.

I have an old 2 something I'm thinking of using to host my cloud storage on, too. I don't mind if it's slower uploading.

[–] gumibo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 day ago

incheresting im not really sure what was wrong with my pi4 w/ 8gb ram then since it kept buffering every 3 seconds for 1080p stuff on jellyfin and it was frustrating af! i saw many others dealing with the same thing online and after seeing https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/post-install/transcoding/hardware-acceleration/#raspberry-pi-hardware-acceleration-support-deprecation I thought it was a hardware problem but it could be something else or plex does things different im not sure. nevertheless im glad that happened to me since ive moved on to superior cheaper hardware and it made me careful of branded products when it comes to hardware in general. im glad that set up u have is working for you :3

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How steep is the learning curve there? Should I just go with Plex and keep it simple?

You've got it the wrong way round. Jellyfin is simple. I've never understood Plex.

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[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The main difference between Plex and Jellyfin is the network setup. Plex takes care of that for you, while you have to set it up your self with Jellyfin. Another difference is that Plex can combine content from multiple servers ( I think. I'm not a plex user, so I don't know for sure), while it will always be seperate servers in jellyfin.

Jellyfin will always have my heart though, because it's open source and not here to make money. Plex also have a reputation to show ads and other stuff from streaming services.

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

The networking aspect is basically the only thing stopping me from switching from Plex to Jellyfin. I got Jellyfin running and accessing my server myself, while on my home network is easy. However, when it comes to accessing outside of my network, it gets complicated, and when it comes to other people accessing my server it gets more complicated, and then accessing my own server and friends' servers it gets even more complicated.

With Plex, all of that is super easy. I can watch stuff from my own server and my friends' servers on any device, including a web browser, and I can tell my mom, for example, "install Plex on your Roku and tell me what email address you use to log in" and boom, she has access to my library.

[–] Nester@feddit.uk 11 points 3 days ago

Jellyfin is A-ok for the tech illiterate. I actually think it might be easier to navigate and use because it's a bit more simple than Plex.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 8 points 3 days ago

I'd recommend Jellyfin. Dead easy to use.

I haven't really used Plex a whole lot but I have found Jellyfin from a user perspective to be extremely easy to use. The quick connect codes are one of my favorite features.

I have only recently started with self hosting and after some minor frustration, i am in love!!! Plex isnt just worse cuz its paywalling your own files, its install, support and ui are pretty trash, imo. The one advantage i saw was that it was easy to share w folks. If your jellyfin is going to be secure AND accessible, thats more work to do.

Keep in mind jellyfin does NOT recommend using a pi, bc it struggles w transcoding etc. That said, my first go was an rpi5. I used this guide and it was pretty brainless.... ezpz: Indian tech guru to the rescue!

Beware, uptime w the pi is pretty bad... had to restart server all the time, and some devices would not stream properly. It did work, mostly though, and it was a great intro for me since i just had it lying around.

Have fun!

[–] Amaterasu@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I wish I'd have gone with Jellyfin when I migrated from Plex. I'm on Emby, it has a few features that I like that are not available in Jellyfin.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I'm on an older Synology diskstation (418play) and I found Emby was better packaged to use on that platform. On a Pi I might have gone for Jellyfin instead.

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[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 3 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Kinda hijacking this a little: what do the cool kids use on a "normal" TV as a client to watch Jellyfin?

Chromecast? A PI plugged into the HDMI port?

This hasn't been on my radar, but with Winter coming (John Snow) I'm thinking this might be something to look into...

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

My wife is pretty normal. She uses the Jellyfin client on our Fire Sticks, Roku Soundbar, and TV.

She has no idea what Jellyfin is really. Just another Netflix or Prime in her mind.

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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I'm not a cool kid, but I gave up on fighting "smart" TVs and use the jellyfin app on them.

I don't like it, but I also don't like a separate hardware client for each screen either. Plus my wife likes Tubi, ads and all.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

I use a smart tv that has it's internet access blocked by mac address. Simply sideloaded the jellyfin app and since tv and server are on the same network they can still communicate :3

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