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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

the post I had commented this on was deleted so I'm going to put it here for no reason.

I hold the following opinions:

  1. political violence is probably a bad idea. this is for multiple reasons, one of which being that it usually doesn't create the intended effects.

  2. charlie kirk might have been the worst piece of shit commentator of that era. i'm glad he shut the fuck up.

  3. there are a lot of political commentators like him. the benefit of having one less of them is overshadowed by the detriment of the reaction to a political assassination.

  4. his family is the absolute least of my concerns. i don't think about them at all.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago

They've really carved out a niche as being just outside the level of militancy that's politically correct. Punk is back, I guess.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 86 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Mock away, the dude was fash trash.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Enjoyer of political violence falls victim to political violence. Oh no! /s

If these guys were themselves pacifists who prided themselves on giving every idea a fair hearing, I guess I would have a problem with any assassinations. As it is, there's just one side trying to unilaterally manifest a certain level of civility. One that unfortunately doesn't seem to exist.

Edit: I believe this complies with rule 6. Lack of concern about violence isn't the same thing as advocacy.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Kirk was a promoter of political violence, not just someone who enjoyed it.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

DONT MOCK TOO HARD OR YOURE CENSORED

Anyways, only good nazi is feeding sunflowers.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

TF?! If that happened to you FordBeeblebrox I’m surprised my post (which included verbatim quotes from thumb no-head baby teeth) wasn’t also taken down. 🤷🤷🤷

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mine was “death death to the IDF,” the slogan Bob Vylan (ya know, the group mentioned in the OP article) was most in the news for recently.

Fucking delete it again and ban me, I ain’t gonna stop chanting it. Just cause it’s a theme song don’t make it not true

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Is cuma liomsa foc faoi aon Gharda!

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 131 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The performance was held at the Paradiso Grote Zaal. The venue released a statement on Sunday saying it “believed in the power of artistic freedom”.

“Music – and especially punk – is an art form that traditionally magnifies anger, discontent, and injustice without a filter,” it said.

“In a world on fire, artists sometimes choose language that sounds confrontational or violent.”

Addressing the singer’s calls for the death of IDF troops, the venue said it shared “the outrage and concern surrounding the genocidal violence taking place in Gaza” and that “Bob Vylan’s raising his voice against this is legitimate and necessary”.

Punk has always been anti-fascist because fascists and punks compete for the same follower base, and overlap is unavoidable unless one side draws a very hard line about what's acceptable.

The fascists want to be able to say whatever they want under 1st amendment, but have always lost their shit when people say the same shit about fascists the fascists say about innumerable target demographics.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 58 points 3 days ago (4 children)

"death death to the idf" =/= "death to idf troops"

and i'm tired of outlets reporting on it like it is. the man was saying the idf is a criminal organization that needs to be resisted and disbanded. yeah, that's gonna result in some fighting because the idf are a violent and vile organization of oppressors, but in the context, "death death to the idf" is the only reasonable stance…

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago

NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 days ago

We are not used to venues that make reasonable statements without trying to slither out of every responsibility. This is pretty amazing.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, the Right is trying to make Kirk into a new Horst Wessel figure, so I'm registering this is as a based attempt to keep the Overton Window at its current position.

Free speech, bitches.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

He needs a more Murican martyr name: Instead of Horst Wessel, how about Horse Asshole.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

Hey Charlie have you heard this one? *bang!

[–] CrazyHorse@lemmy.cafe 38 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Another source: https://www.dutchnews.nl/2025/09/protest-and-palestine-centre-stage-at-bob-vylan-paradiso-show/

Their upcoming concert at 013 (Tilburg, this Tuesday) has been cancelled over this: https://nos.nl/artikel/2582452-poppodium-013-schrapt-show-bob-vylan-na-gewelddadige-uitspraken-in-paradiso

Edit: Their upcoming concert at Doornroosje (Nijmegen, this Monday) has not (yet?) been cancelled.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wow magats are some fucking snowflakes

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Since this takes place in the Netherlands it's not magats this time, but our own, locally sourced nazis

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I imagine those people also agree with maga

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They don't necessarily want America to be great, but otherwise yes

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Great !== Great

Great means… basically handmaids tale, in a nutshell.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 days ago (11 children)
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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 days ago

American MAGAs also don't really want American greatness if it involves immigrants, minorities, or liberals having a good life there. Their love of America and goals for its greatness are VERY selective, all the way to founding values like freedom of speech, separation of powers, and separation of church and state.

It's really just fascism. And fascism, for all its claims to be country-first, is an international reactionary effort.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago

They’re all the same bad faith pieces of shit regardless of the names they go by. Sorry you have to deal with these Nazi fucks too, comrade

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago

look at r/conservative, so much copium going on.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago

Thanks for the second source. The Telegraph is a right wing rag.

[–] detren@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

Absolutely based Paradiso and shameful 013.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There absolutely is justification for violence, political or otherwise. To say there is none is a violators way of ensuring they can continue to violate unchecked. Tagging politics as a motivator for such violence is also a misdirection. Hate is not political, race is not political. What makes them seem political is the fact that they are accepted and pushed by our elected officials. Those officials fully believe they are and should be immune to any repercussions for what they do and say. This belief is what gives them the will to ignore the protests and laws on the books that go against their wishes. What other option does anyone have but to show them in the strongest way possible that they are destroying everything they touch?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There absolutely is justification for violence, political or otherwise.

Blessed are they who praise peace, for they shall bury the peacemakers.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Peace only comes when evil is defeated

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 days ago
[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 days ago
[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Lynch your leaders.

[–] Frog@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

A pogrom is a violent riot incited with the aim of massacring or expelling an ethnic or religious group, usually applied to attacks on Jews.

Wikipedia: Pogrom

I never seen this word before. I'm going to post it here just in case you haven't either.

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 8 points 3 days ago

Good for them.

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