I think one of the biggest challenges is alternate choices for creators. If everybody posted their content to YT plus another platform, things would naturally start shifting.

If a channel I follow posts to Odysee then I watch it there. I follow multiple channels that also post to Nebula, so I try to watch it there.

But there's no clear standard for what platforms are good for what. There's also a paywall issue with some (like aforementioned Nebula) that not everybody will be able to pay. I've also tried Curiosity Stream, and never watched it because there was no content I found worth it.

Then there's the technical issues. I can't believe that I am paying for Nubula when their app sucks so badly. (I will probably cancel but haven't yet). Odysee is so much better than when it launched but it's still a pile of dung. PeerTube I never felt worked well at all, so much so that maybe I'm missing something. But while I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed if I can't figure it out then its a bad platform.

So in all reality, there isn't a replacement for YT. I wish there was, but there isn't. There should be, but there isn't. Yes, we should try to post alternate links and such, but that's not going to make much of a difference in the end.

And sorry, this all came out significantly negative sounding. I don't mean to be crapping on the post or the idea. I just mean to point out that the issue is much deeper than user interactions. There's an infrastructure problem first (we need a viable working alternative), then a content problem second (we need to convince creators to move there), and only last is there a user interaction issue (which this post is discussing).

Every day is the right time to switch away...

I think piracy is the answer. If a creator is not on odysee, make a channel of the same name an re-upload all their content, everyone can do it basically for free. If you run a peertube instance, pick a few youtube channels you like and mirror them to your instance and keep them updated with something like ChannelTube or TubeSync.

What about Nebula? It's paid subscription but you can pay for once off lifetime subscription for $300, and the content creators even encourage users to opt for the latter. Edit: wording

No consensus. We should never look for that, because we need diversity in options and usage.

Discussion is peachy tho.

So. Some unfortunate news here. There was never a time to be on YouTube in the first place.

I am trying to - there's no direct replacement, but I've removed the YouTube app from my phone at least. Also signed up for both Nebula and Dropout, which both do some sort of direct profit sharing with creators.

Nebula might be worth the $5/month. The platform is run by the creators, so that money goes to them. DM me if you’re interested. I can gift you a free week.

During my DeGoogling, dumping YouTube was easy, and was made easier when they started permanently banning leftist feeds like Party Girls. The struggle for me was Google Maps. Lots of substitutes, and I do use CoMaps, but none are quite as slick as the Google version...yet.

Nothing can compare yet to YouTube.

The main reason is: YouTube is not only a distribution channel. It is also its own promotion channel tied to a search engine which magnifies that promotion.

You open YouTube and it offers similar videos tho what you've been watching. You search for something and there is probably a video (or many( matching what you are searching.

Other platforms are currently only distribution channels. You upload the video and promote it through other channels. Whether your own website or posts somewhere else.

Si, if you are a content producer and want to share, the current fediverse solutions are great, however it will need critical mass to attract content consumers.

And without content consumers, it will be hard to attract content providers who want a broad distribution and exposure.

So, let's start moving out own content to the fediverse and use other channels to promote them. Let's create a snowball effect. We could even post to several and see where the content consumers gravitate to.

I like the idea of PeerTube, but I tried running an instance and was unable to sustain the experiment for too long. I made it very open and it got quickly flooded by pirated TV series and spammy and heavy content.

After that, I had a difficult time at some point finding an instance to host some videos I wanted to upload - and, having had that failed experiment before hand, I can see why the instances that do survive are often those with more stringent filters and less generous with resources.

So, I am sorry to "chime in about the shortcomings", but hosting a PeerTube instance can be a demotivating experience. You set up the infrastructure expecting to contribute to a space reminiscent of the old youtube, and you see it filled with spam. The signal-to-noise ratio is just awful and it is expensive. To avoid this, you can be an aggressive gate keeper - but this makes the platform less friendly to people who are looking to find a space to share their original content. Gate keeping is also an additional effort that you need to make. In the end I chose to just shut it off as it was more of a hassle than fun. By comparison, hosting a Lemmy instance is fun, much much cheaper, and little hassle.

I still haven't given up on the idea of Peertube, though... I have some video ideas, and when I finally get to making them I plan to make another instance to host only my channel. Then, I would be able to host my own channel using my own infrastructure via a federated network. This use case would work very well for me, and it can probably work for many others. So that is one way of building the Peertube network.

General permissive video uploads is something that makes YouTube such a powerful platform though, and that is very difficult to replicate.

The very platform you're clinging to is on Death's Door and they're actively breaking YouTube's terms of service while still using the service.

None of the other platforms are even close to replacing YouTube. They can't handle the scale or the features. And none of them are heading towards being able to accomplish this.

YouTube is a capitalist utopia funded with more money than God. They provide unlimited free storage and transmission of all videos sent to their platform. They fleece videos for copyright and legal impingements. They gather corporations willing to spend on advertisements and link them directly to end users uploading data, and when they reach a threshold, they pay them.These funds pay for the unlimited amounts of storage at levels that no other platform could handle.

The other platforms that are open to us don't make enough money to do any of those things. We're relying on the funding, development, and administration of a couple of generous strangers.

I mean if peertube was based on torrents...would that work?

Let’s be clear : how YouTubers will survive without ads money on another platform ?

So you can get actual YouTube content without the ads? Does it include an ad blocker or is it inherently resistant to ads?

It’s kind of wild to me that the alternatives to YT aren’t… better. I mean, it’s not as if YT is brand new.

The PeerTube iOS app is just a mess. And I’m not sure, but I think the Odysee app hasn’t been updated since the Second World War.

Holy crap, my entire response sounds like a whiny kid. Maybe instead of me complaining, I should throw up a PT instance and do something meaningful.