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Charlie Kirk is even worse than i realize. The truth is, i've done more to contribute to the well-being of conservatives than Charlie Kirk ever has... you know, just by working at warehouses and restaurants and shit.

Seriously, fuck that guy. The world is better off without him.

Charlie Kirk was a garbage person... we can mock that piece of shit all day just by pulling clips and quotes. Fuck that guy.

Couldn't.

I'm with the majority's utiliatarian ethics here: political assassinations are bad but dead nazi is the best kind of nazi. So overall event is net negative for humanity but not all parts of the sum are negatives if that makes sense.

So I did celebrate the obituary but I'm aware this is likely bad for society as a whole.

there is no divide. it's manufactured outrage to consolidate conservatives behind a singular movement and target their wrath at anything not on their side.

Kirk was a fascist spreading ideological bigot. He didn't deserve to die but nobody should be mourning his death but those who were closest to him.

trust no one who uses the death of a man to propel themselves forward, for they have no honor or morals that direct them and you will soon find yourself a target for their next opportunity.

You cannot take off the political hat when a side has decided to discard human rights. That side is WRONG. There can be no discussion on that. Every dispute entertained on that subject is another person dead, their life extinguished. Do YOU accept blame for the death of a person run over by bureaucracy, by capitalism, by systematic oppression? If the answer is no, then you have no right to even entertain a system that allows it.

Political violence is always the last, worst option. Sometimes it's the only option but that wasn't the case here.

Kirk was a pretty awful person, who profited from spreading hatred. He didn't just have an opinion, he had an agenda.

just because hes dead doesnt change what he said when he was alive politcal violence is bad but he wasnt a saint

This was a prime example of the phrase: "No humans involved".

Nazis killing other Nazis is ALWAYS a good thing, something to be celebrated joyfully by all rational people in the world. And doing it without any collateral damage is a huge bonus.

I hold the following opinions

1. political violence is probably a bad idea. this is for multiple reasons, one of which being that it usually doesn't create the intended effects.

2. charlie kirk might have been the worst piece of shit commentator of that era. i'm glad he shut the fuck up.

3. there are a lot of political commentators like him. the benefit of having one less of them is overshadowed by the detriment of the reaction to a political assassination.

4. his family is the absolute least of my concerns. i don't think about them at all.

You’re just trying to rile people up.

Feral Violent MAGA shooting their own guys is hilarious, I hope they turn on king pedo Marie Antoinette soon and tear him limb from limb in his 200 million dollar ballroom. That’s best case scenario. As far as decent people take care of yourselves, your families and your community. Get armed, start a victory garden/ community garden , get backyard chickens if possible, learn to fix things, have at least 30 days of supplies and prepare for the worst. I hope to see the entire Trump cabinet going through a Nuremberg trial. IF we get out of this without 70 million deaths like ww2 we’d be lucky. fight against facism however you can. shun maga for the rest of their lives never forget they’re irredeemable nazis.

I might have felt sympathy, but I'm too busy caring for people that he himself hurt. They deserve my attention more.

You don't run over a crowd of people, crash your car, and then get to lament that there are people in front of you at the emergency room.

if/when someonw irl asks me about this piece of shit...I like to respond "...did you know about this guy at all, before he got shot?".....no? so...why the fuck do you suddenly care now, you might be in a bubble dude"

Obviously the ideal amount of political violence should be zero. If any other option exists, I think those must be taken first.

But sometimes the status quo is violence, and letting the status quo continue doing violence will overtime do more harm than one act of political violence. So mathematically, there must be some point where some violence is worth the cost of less harm in the future.

Rightists have spent decades building and nurturing a fascist culture. Fascism has well defined and recognizable traits, including machismo, action for actions sake, weapon obsession, derision of pacifism and diversity and science, dying a hero, and demonizing out groups and dissenters.

Violence is the end result. They use fear of violence to seize control, while stoking and promoting violence among their followers, which results in perpetuation of real violence, which creates an escalating cycle of violence. There is a reason that almost all shooters are radicalized rightists. It is because their culture has carefully groomed those traits into them.

On the flip side, leftist violence erupts only when people are pushed far beyond their breaking point. We are not there yet, but the rightists have escalated the cycle of violence to levels where we are getting close.

Charlie Kirk was a victim of his own rhetoric, his own political violence, and his own stochastic terrorism. I weep for the world, because his hateful, dangerous, violent ideals will live long into the future even without him. And with a false martyrdom narrative now in place, many other hateful, violent terrorists will spring up to further accelerate the cycle of violence, fascism, and oppression.

We are all fucked. Not just the US, the world.

Hard to give a fuck about the murder of some rich white hate monger when, on average, 28 innocent kids get shot and die in Palestine every day.

Not surprised. Kinda hard to believe there haven’t been more public attempts on official’s lives. What was the most shocking was the rapid and wide-spread spool-up of hatred online against liberals/democrats without them ever knowing the shooter’s identity or affiliation. They didn’t care. Aided by Chinese and Russian troll farms, of course.

Society? The American Experiment is over. I fully expect Republicans to remain in power indefinitely, forcefully, through falsehood, or simply just throwing the rules out the window. The only thing that remains after that will be if there is a purge and how deep it goes. Will your social media post history critical of Trump get you fired? Disappeared? Jailed? Will the regime stop at open persecution of democratic officials or will they take it all the way down to the regular citizens?

I don’t support murder, but when people who do call for it like checks notes Charlie Kirk get murdered, I’ll enjoy the irony.

There are some people who the world would be better off without. Can anyone honestly say the US would be a worse place now if Trump had been killed instead of “wounded” at his own shooting?

I think the fact that there is a divide at all about murder is pretty informative. Generally speaking, that isn't a sign of a healthy society. It speaks to how frustrated many people are with society these days. I do believe that social media makes this occurrence drastically different than any other potential societal collapse. So any predictions are worth the cost you pay for them.

Never herd of him before he died. He was obviously a cunt of the highest degree. In my country he would have been a right wing extremist and probably been canceled by most serious organizations. In the USA his views are apparently so normal that he got assassinated by someone that thought he was too much of a lefty?

I don't care about him at all tbh. We get news of Americans killing each other everyday, I don't see how he is much different from all the other murder victims. Because he had a stage and a following? Apparently he hated emphaty so I'm considering dishonering him by being emphatic..

How fucked up can a nation be? I would mourn my country if I was US American. Since I'm not all I can do is shake my head aphaty and think "oh well, they'll just continue doing whatever they're doing over there"

I don’t support him being murdered whoever is doing the killing.

I think we should focus on the class war and not this right vs left bullshit.

I'm not American, so this is an outside perspective I guess. I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot, and it's been interesting watching it all play out. Ring wing leap to assuming it was a leftist attack, with a huge amount of violent rhetoric; suspect arrested & turns out to be from conservative background; trickle of suggestions he might be further to the right of Kirk.

I've learned a new word: Groyper.

Meanwhile in the UK we've got a kind of fascism-lite going on, with a "socialist" party in charge that's leaning to the right of Thatcher in order to attract the votes of bigots. There's a massive right-wing rally going on in London right now, with a couple of anti-fascist, anti-racist counter protests as well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2025/sep/13/aerial-footage-shows-scale-of-unite-the-kingdom-rally-video