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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 192 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Want to ignore 26 laws to destroy protected wildlife refuge in order to build Trump's wall for him? Sure! No problem!

Want to do anything that might benefit the poor? "No you stupid progressive. This must be your first election because you don't understand how anything works. Everyone knows that we need a quorum of both houses to convene in a graveyard at midnight under a blood moon on the third Tuesday of the month, in accordance with the infield fly rule. Then, we wait for the appearance of the Great Pumpkin, so that we may know how to proceed."

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Here's what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/

TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.

This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.

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[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Spoken like a true John Oliver, bravo and agreed

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 134 points 1 year ago (55 children)

I wasn’t aware a president could just “waive away” federal law.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 80 points 1 year ago

marking the administration’s first use of a sweeping executive power employed often during the Trump presidency.

It's shitty all the way around.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The controversial work, which included construction on federally designated wilderness, was permitted under the Real ID Act. Created in the wake of the September 11 attacks, the act grants DHS the authority to waive any law, including bedrock statutes meant to safeguard the environment and areas of cultural significance, to build border barriers in the name of national security

source

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago (19 children)

The article is misleading, Biden is actually explicitly not ignoring this law that is from 2019: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/

TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.

This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.

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[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

Patriot Act had a lot of babies

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[–] kebabslob@lemmy.blahaj.zone 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Student loans: I sleep

Title 42 + building new border walls: Real shit?

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Did you miss todays announcement about student loans relief?

[–] kebabslob@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes! What was it? Oh my god I hope they're actually gonna do something that affects me for once

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Biden administration has approved debt relief for an additional 125,000 student loan borrowers, totaling $9 billion in forgiveness, the White House said Wednesday.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics/biden-student-loan-debt-forgiveness/index.html

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago (17 children)

That is literally just them correcting admistrative errors not new relief

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What? From union buster segregationist eulogizing Joe?

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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

We're building the wall, Jack brump

Chocolate chocolate chip!

[–] Holyginz@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My first guess is that it was something they had to agree to as part of a deal. Like to keep the government open or something like that. Could very well be wrong though.

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This was my guess as well but neither the linked source nor any other one I can find explain exactly why he did it.

[–] Holyginz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It just feels so out of left field for the administration. I'm not saying the Biden administration is perfect cause its not, but border walls are not something he has ever given any indication of having as a priority.

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[–] OlPatchy2Eyes@dormi.zone 11 points 1 year ago

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/

Found this. Basically the claim here is that funds were allocated to this project, and although some of those funds were redirected, congress never deallocated the rest, and therefore they have to continue to be used. I'm not totally convinced but it's a more nuanced take than the comments here.

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[–] ALostInquirer@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Won't a wall, supposing it's somewhat effective at mitigating unlawful entry over the surface, simply encourage even more risky behavior such as (more?) tunneling and/or attempts at entering via the Gulf?

Also, for cat lovers out there, you might want to note this detail that just adds to the suffering this will perpetuate:

Concern is shared with environmental advocates who say structures will run through public lands, habitats of endangered plants and species like the Ocelot, a spotted wild cat.

Finally, wouldn't the more modern, humane, and fiscally responsible solution to this whole issue be migration reform such that people can more easily, legally enter the country? More people become citizens, more tax revenue, governments' budgets may still be tight but more manageable (supposing they continue to insist on avoiding taxing businesses more).

Don't get me wrong, though, I realize a big part of why it's not being addressed that way is related to fearmongering, with another big part being exploited migrant labor.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Fun fact, we closed the southern border because of racism in the 1800s. Before then, people could travel freely, and it wasn't a problem in the slightest.

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[–] Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why??? We're experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do and there is an entire wave of people ready to get their foot in the door in our country. They're not criminals either, all the people I know who are immigrants from Spanish speaking countries are kind, practical, outgoing, intelligent and hard workers- they definitely know how to party too. I wish more people would learn Spanish so we could fix this disconnect between the US and its neighbors.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (4 children)

We're experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs nobody wants to do

We're experiencing a shortage of workers for the jobs no one wants to do AT THE WAGES THE EMPLOERS WANT TO PAY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE TO EXPLOITATION.

There's not a shortage of workers, but of wages.

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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Here's what looks like an answer: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/30/joe-biden-forced-build-donald-trumps-border-wall/

TLDR: This is a 2019 law passed by Congress during the baby hands administration. The Biden administration has been pretty careful not to overstep other branches of government(I think as a direct response to how flagrantly and harmfully baby hands used executive action), and while Biden returned wall money taken from the DoD, the rest of the wall money was explicitly designated by Congress for building the border wall in 2019 and Congress will not cancel that legislative order(wall funds), despite Biden asking Congress to cancel the 2019 wall funds law since arriving in office in 2020.

This post is misleading, the money is being legally used for a legislatively required purpose and any federal laws are being broken legislatively by Congress as a result of baby hands in 2019, not the Biden administration.

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[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

"Nothing will fundamentally change"

[–] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

According to government data, about 245,000 illegal entries have been recorded in this region during the current fiscal year.

This is an extremely complex issue, but let’s just consider that number for a minute.

That’s about 671 people every day. About 28 each hour. Damn.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh god oh fuck people moving across an imaginary line

[–] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Those bastards can’t speak American, and they’re taking all those jobs away that I’d never even consider doing!

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[–] Jamie@jamie.moe 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And adding 0.081% to the population every year are stealing all the good jobs uh... checks notes, working in construction and on ranches where actual citizens usually don't want to work anyway.

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about we have some proper immigration reform instead? Then we won't have to waste money on stupid walls cause people will be less compelled to cross illegally.

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[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

The "harm reduction we just have to get him elected and then we'll push him left" blue maga president everyone.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

20 miles isn't enough to cover any form of meaningful distance. I wonder what's going on in that county for this to be pushed for, especially since the DHS didn't release any actual details about it.

I suppose a fence would technically count as a wall.

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