Russian politicians in Russia orchestrating the war, too, are legitimate targets
this post was submitted on 05 Sep 2025
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It's pretty ironic that there is a big chance there would be no NATO troops in Ukraine if Putin didn't attack Ukraine "because they might join NATO". By doing what he did he got exactly what he tried not to get.
Russian troops would be too.
Yes because it's a war
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Then Russian troops in Ukraine would be legitimate targets for western troops
Your move
Right? What the fuck is he blabbing on about?
Russian troops in Ukraine are already legitimate targets.
Yes, but right now western troops aren't engaging russians, that's what this is about
Pootin is a legitimate target. Fuck him!
Overall, it seems Putin and Trump prefer to continue escalating the situation. Their rethoric mounts to something like this: " Why can't Europe & Ukraine just behave, and do as they are told."
Seems again, both oligarchs don't want a peaceful solution. Unfortunately, we are running out of options here.
War makes money for the rich, of course they love it. Ya make money and the poors get culled, win win ib their eyes...
Not just the poors, but it's usually the meatheads that get sent to war. On both sides, you'll find some of the most deplorable people are the most entrenched in war culture. They don't value their lives and see themselves as having no better options.
I hope one day we understand some of the philosophy behind war, and whether or not it's necessary when there are "too many soldiers."
Not in this setup. He makes issues even selling weapons to Ukraine.
He likely is getting personal money for sabotaging Ukraine (most likely by the shit coins he set up)
He is playing middleman, selling to Ukraine and bad mouthing for Putin, ib the end the military industrial complex still wins
What he did is to make Europe desperately look to produce as much weapons as they can to replace US ones.
Also MIC was huge during could war, but does it really matter today? Put Boeing or Lockheed Martin next to Apple, Google, Amazing etc It is no longer significant compared with tech industry.
A dumb take considering the imperialist (and genocidal) history of russia.
They weren't doing good in the 90s, didn't stop them for invading Moldova, Ichkeria and getting involved in the Caucasus with malicious intentions.
Russia economy is currently running off of war. If it ends Russia is fucked as the only other money maker they have is oil and it will be a good decadw before they can get back to pre war production.
Maybe ya should read General Smedley Buttlers 'War is a racket'
What does this have to do with russian imperialism?
Was the russian economy running off of war in the 90s too?
Does Smedly Buttlers speak russian? I am genuinely curious.
Read the damn speech
1990 ≠ 2025
It doesnt matter, he explains why war is a racket with in depth personal knowledge of why it is.
Putin is a power hungry goblin, in this world money is power. If ya don't understand that then you shouldnt be replying
No, chances are I have more in-depth personal knowledge of war than that fellow (don't forget, the russians invaded in 2014).
To claim that all of war is based on cold war era "military industrial complex" polemics is ahistorical and doesn't align with reality.
If that speech is as relevant as you claim, you should have no problems with explaining in 3-5 sentences how it is relevant in the context of this discussion.
Well no point in going any further wirh this convo, you think you know more about war and what a military complex is than a general who had served in multiple wars, all while you dont know what a military industrial complex is. You have 0 interest in learning what it is. Also Smedley wrote the speech in 1934 before there was WWII, yet alone cold war. And the military industrial complex was alive then too.
If that speech is as relevant as you claim, you should have no problems with explaining in 3-5 sentences how it is relevant in the context of this discussion.
No, it can not be summed up in 3-5 sentences, thag ia why he wrote the fucking speech, read the damn speech, ya wasted more time writing this than it would have taken to read the fucking thing.
Russia is as genocidal as western countries they still sell weapon to israel to exterminate palestinians
No, this is incorrect.
Not all western countries sell weapons to Israel.
And you need to read up on russian history (at least 20th century).
One thing that I learned after moving to Lemmy is how vapid, trope-like and uninspired western "leftists" are in their thinking.
No wonder we have the rise of Donald Trump and significant gains among far right/pro-corruption forces.
There are of course other factors too (information age etc.), but I digress.
how vapid, trope-like and uninspired western “leftists” are in their thinking
Leftist here. Those sockpuppets and fools have nothing to do with what I or anyone I know believes.
Not all western countries sell weapons to Israel
The most powererful ones does sell weapons to israel though. Even buying from them allow israel to use thay money to reinvest in the genocide
And you need to read up on russian history (at least 20th century)
When you read history you see how the other was as bad as russisn history of bloody especially the usa
You clearly have no clue what you are talking if you think russia is anywhere close to the US.
It would be like if during the invasion of Iraq, the US annexed Basra, banned Islam, sent anyone caught speaking arabic into basement torture camps and sent hundreds of thousand Iraqi children to Texas and made them eat pork chops and read about how great US oligarchs are.
So you were wrong about all western countries selling weapons to Israel.
It's a war so yes it is ligitimate for both side to fight each others
Give it a try, see how well that goes
The actual western troops will bring the actual western weapons and in a non nuclear war, Russia will fold, even with the somewhat limited amount of weapons that Europe currently has
Russia can barely keep up with Ukraine having very limited western support. If the real weapons are taken out, they will be fucked.
I agree, this is definitely a bluff worth calling.
We've already seen mercenaries from the West get killed by Russians.
You believe a lot of bullshit.
According to governments and most citizens, mercenaries are different from the states own military. The results would be different.
I am still just pissed that they keep killing people in general but hey, I guess I'm the weird one.
Putin on Friday said any guarantees that involved boots on the ground would violate Moscow’s longstanding objections to Nato troops in Ukraine.
What does that even mean? How do you violate someone else's standards that you didn't agree to, that's not "violating" anything, that's just them not liking it.
all world leaders should be forced to have an explosive device surgically implanted into their chests to take office.
at any time the people of their country can take a vote to remove them from office, and if passed detonates the explosive at a random time in a 24 hour window after the vote has been validated.
This, please
Imagine that." The people have voted today...." Well..they'll find out soon enough.
Also, most worldleaders aren't as extreme, but for sure " 100% democracy proof" implant would be an insurance/ h
I would like it to be like in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.
“At the sound of the cann…” BOOM
Western troops would wipe the effing floor with the russians. Air superiority would be instantaneous. The war -- in Ukrane at least--would end quickly.
More famous last words have never been spoken. How many times throughout history have people said this? I'd imagine leading up to every war...
AH yes, the famous Russian air force. Everyone knows having dead pilots in crashed planes is a tactical advantage. I'm sure the west will find them most challenging.
So it’s zombie pilots, then.
This assumes a full blown war. Not sending just mechanics to maintain the F16 given to Ukraine and a bunch of training officer.
Moreover, while I doubt Russia can win a conventional war, Russia is more than machine gun mounted a Toyota pick up trucks, 20year old kids will die, and not sure western government are ready for it, especially with the weight of pro Russian politicians. This is how you loose a war despite a "mathematical" advantage
We need an answer to Putin's shenanigans and we havent been pursuing one in any serious manner. He's been in a low level war with the west for decades while we offer him refreshments and listen to his blather. He and Russia should be treated like North Korea.
It took over 10 years to end syrian regime. It will definitely take as much to end the ukraine invension even with western support on the ground
Western troops would wipe the effing floor with the russians.
Does this mean that US will guarantee the backstop?
Are we waiting on the US to approve or disapprove every political action in the world? Or after Ukraine has managed to hold Russia to almost no territorial gains for years are we pretending Russia is an unstoppable and well funded military force?
If citizens in other countries want to be slaves to the crazy US, I guess thats ok. Get me another latte.
Are we waiting on the US to approve or disapprove every political action in the world?
Too late. The US already has a ton of influence here and is currently content with supplying Ukraine with just enough to hold off Russia but nothing more. If the other western countries increase their support, the US will just scale back an equal amount.