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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/35481552

Justice Department leadership is prepared to use its rule-making authority to declare transgender people as mentally ill and deprive them of their Second Amendment right to possess firearms, according to two Justice officials who shared internal discussions with CNN.

Deliberations at the highest levels of the DOJ follow the recent mass shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church in Minneapolis, an attack police say was carried out by a 23-year-old former student at the church’s school who may have been a transgender person or a de-transitioned individual. Two children were killed in the attack, and 21 others were injured.

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[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 hours ago

With the Chevron Deference overturned last year, the DOJ policy will have to be directly interpreted by the Supreme Court without DOJ input when it eventually makes it there.

Oh, wait. That won't help.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago

Second amendment fanatics are doing an excellent job of illustrating that their cause has always been phony

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 20 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
  1. Only a doctor can make a mental illness diagnosis.

  2. Nobody will voluntarily give up their guns, especially under Trump. So just try to come and get them.

  3. Did the NRA forget to "Resist Tyranny" again? Remember their decades of BS about how "the libs were coming for your guns?"

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

The language prohibiting the ownership of guns for the mentally ill is someone who has been adjudication as mentally defective (as in: by a court declaration), or who has been committed to a mental institution.

As for gender identity: the ATF added the option of non-binary gender to the 4473 5 years ago, so it clearly didn't have an issue then.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Oh you don't believe in god? Sounds like your mentally ill there bud.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 hours ago

They want to do it with "Trump derangement syndrome"

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 35 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Waiting for all those second amendment folks to jump in with their arguments about when the third reich took guns away from the jews.

Aaaaaaany minute now....

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Bizarrely, the urge to make money off scared trans people overpowered the urge to be fascist.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 38 minutes ago

Well I'll be damned.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 21 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

All those "from my dead hands" will be playing crickets right now... It never was about protection against a tyrannical government

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 hours ago

No, their "don't tread on me" always just meant "tread on them."

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 9 points 9 hours ago

This will also be used to restrict their voting rights.

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 19 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah that's not tyranny at all...

Also love how the NRA and GOP ignores the fact that the church lead this person to commit these crimes as they were shunned by the church for being themselves. Then they went radical fascist and shot up the church as retaliation for hating them and making them feel like less than human.

So i guess the only logical thing to do now is thoughts and prayers...

[–] humanoidchaos@lemmy.cif.su 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Sounds like the church got what it deserved.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 hours ago

Except they shot at, and killed, young children. I doubt these children were behind the church's intolerant policies.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 24 points 11 hours ago

I'd be careful of the labels you make. I consider some folks to be mentally defective, too, and it's not queer folk.

It's fascists.

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Gun owners better be freaking out right now because “mentally defective” is subjective

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Just don't be LGBT+, don't be not white, don't be a woman, and follow christ and Donnie the diddler won't take your guns. Anyone else, maybe start trying to hide them before they come for yours.

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 1 points 7 hours ago

Sadly, I’m on a list. 🤷‍♂️

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Actually mentally ill people can have guns, how else will we have regular mass shootings?

Trans though? Those are perverse, they change the mind, they make you believe that everyone should have the right to be treated as an equal, can you imagine? Perverse, I tell you, they can't have guns!

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Is it even true that most shooters are mentally ill? I mean they’re clearly disturbed people but that’s not necessarily the same.

[–] sramder@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

My ex had herself declared sane by 3 separate doctors ;-)

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 hours ago

If republicans dont stand up for my rights to own guns, then I will never stand up for their rights to own guns ever again. Everyone knows the government is full of pedos and criminals, and yet dumb people keep giving them support and power. We need militias, not gun laws. Governments are the biggest criminals on earth.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Since when did DOJ care about giving guns to mentally unstable people?