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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“Don’t Be Evil” got them a lot of public goodwill as a company motto. The only reason to get rid of it was because it was legit starting to get in the way of them doing what shareholders wanted.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is more about the drive to be a leader in AI than the public goodwill.

The antitrust stuff revealed a lot but one of the major things it revealed is that Google views chatgpt as the biggest existential threat to search. Younger users skip Google now.

Of course this is because Google spent the past 5-10 years abusing their monopoly protected position to worsen their product so user engagement would go up (a more frustrating search experience means you’re more likely to search several queries, being delivered multiple pages filled with ads and tracking bullshit instead of just one).

But they won’t reflect on that and improve their product. They will leave it as is and try to make their shit AI blurb at the top of search work better. This is inherently foolish vs something like chatgpt because google search is typically fed much less robust prompts. They get something like “best bank account” or “2014 nba mvp” whereas users are conditioned to given chatgpt a conversational prompt, “what bank has the best rate for savings accounts right now?”. The former is part of why you see much more misconception, incorrect information, and hallucination with googles ai shit.

But again they won’t reflect on this. They won’t bow out. They won’t partner. They will simply eat power and literally burn the world to make something that’s not as good as the already underwhelming gpt5 to keep that stock price rising because the investors are stupid and need to see buzzword bullshit even if it comes at tremendous cost

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

Don't be evil*

*definition of evil may be changed at any point and has no relation to the official dictionary.

[–] chaosCruiser 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maybe Google is building their own gas power plants, just like these guys.

[–] Botzo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

https://datacenters.google/operating-sustainably/

It looks like they're not changing their emissions/sustainability goals for the data centers, which honestly is better than every other player right now.

The political climate makes greenwashing problematic, which is some real irony.

I shit on Google for lots of reasons, but barring a fundamental change in the market, at least they're building renewable energy and taking the local water table into account in decision-making.

Pichai is a McKinsey husk and most of their leadership are yes men. Somehow they're still better than Microsoft, Meta, Oracle, and obviously better than Xitter (with their trailers of methane burning generators).

[–] chaosCruiser 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Being better than Meta is not exactly a high bar to clear.😄

Anyway, it’s nice to see that Google is taking at least one thing seriously.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] chaosCruiser 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nah. Rookie numbers. Burning high sulfur coal is the way to maximize pollution, suffering and death. Might not be as cheap as solar, but that’s the price you have to pay if you want to be the number one enemy of humanity and the rest of the planet.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Reminds me of the alt text for https://xkcd.com/2948/

"An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that's the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill."

[–] chaosCruiser 2 points 2 days ago

😆 Randall knows what he is talking about.

[–] Mannimarco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

How shocking

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago