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Linux phones are still behind android and iPhone, but the gap shrank a surprising amount while I wasn’t looking. These are damn near usable day to day phones now! But there are still a few things that need done and I was wondering what everyone’s thoughts on these were:

1 - tap to pay. I don’t see how this can practically be done. Like, at all.

2 - android auto/apple CarPlay emulation. A Linux phones could theoretically emulate one of these protocols and display a separate session on the head unit of a car. But I dont see any kind of project out there that already does this in an open-source kind of way. The closest I can find are some shady dongles on amazon that give wireless CarPlay to head units that normally require USB cables. It can be done, but I don't see it being done in our community.

3 - voice assistants. wether done on device or phoning into our home servers and having requests processed there, this should be doable and integrated with convenient shortcuts. Home assistant has some things like this, and there’s good-old Mycroft blowing around out there still. Siri is used every day by plenty of people and she sucks. If that’s the benchmark I think our community can easily meet that.

I started looking at Linux phones again because I loathe what apple is doing to this UI now and android has some interesting foldables but now that google is forcing Gemini into everything and you can’t turn it off, killing third party ROMS, and getting somehow even MORE invasive, that whole ecosystem seems like it’s about to march right off a cliff so its not an option anymore for me.

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[–] ki9@lemmy.gf4.pw 3 points 3 days ago

Voice assistant through homeassistant is great. You can plug into an AI. There are guys using the SIP plugin to dial chatgpt from a landline.

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/15jjkkm/i_built_chatgpt_into_my_rotary_phone_and_made_it/

Of course, you can also self host AI models if you have the hardware. I'm not there myself yet... but the tech is ready.

[–] glitching@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

huh? which linux phone got useful since you'd stop looking? I run pmOS edge on competent hardware with lotsa RAM and fast storage and that thing isn't even close to being usable in everyday life.

just basic stuff, like turn it on and it works. the keyboard works. an intuitive UI that you use while walking and dodging other pedestrians. a rock-solid base that doesn't freeze and stutter with the menial-est of tasks.

the three things you mention couldn't be farther from my mind if I wanted to.

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[–] furycd001@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don’t really see any of these as deal breakers, because I think the state of Linux phones in 2025 isn’t about being “finished” or “perfect,” it’s about being part of a bigger journey. Every limitation mentioned is just a reflection of where things stand right now, not anything permanent. What kinda excites me is that Linux phones are built around openness, community, and the freedom to adapt, qualities you don’t really get with mainstream options. Sure, there are missing features, rough edges, and some compromises, but none of that outweighs the value of having a device that puts you in control....

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

1 - tap to pay. I don’t see how this can practically be done. Like, at all.

Yeah, better go back to carrying pieces of plastic with you at all times. Bonus: you can leave your phone home and still pay for things.

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

tap to pay

I don't see why the Linux kernel couldn't add support for NFC devices or someone couldn't write a driver. I always pay for everything in cash anyway.

voice assistants

I know there are foss and local-only voice assistants for Android so it is possible. You'd be limited by the computing power of a phone so eg I imagine running ollama on a phone would be a huge battery drain.

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[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Yeah, Android Auto is definitely the thing I didn't think I needed and now can't live without.

I have no idea if there can be a foss alternative that would work with existing cars...

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

I fallback to a deGoogled phone precisely because Linux phone isn't up to my expectation in terms of convenience for now.

You can check my post history but just during the last few days :

... so yes, not there yet

PS: on "assistant" (I really think the naming is over-blowing capabilities) I have been using HomeAssistant daily for years now. I have a Nabu Casu on my shelf... and didn't even set it up because it was either 3rd party service dependencies (not why I rely on HA) or a very complex setup. So... I would recommend not looking there, at least few months ago when I received mine, sadly.

[–] gil2455526@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

All I need is a smartphone that can run all my daily drives. Browsing, messaging, socials, banking, utilities and games. Especially with companies pushing that everything be done through an app instead of available through a browser. The problem is very few companies bother to develop Linux versions of their software.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago

Oh I’m already having those arguments about installing apps. It’s one of the many reasons I’m leaving T-Mobile soon actually. If I have to call in I will but I don’t trust apps at this point and they are frankly unnecessary in almost every case.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

google is forcing Gemini into everything and you can’t turn it off,

You can still shut off Gemini as of right now. I don't know what it'll be like in the future though.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Google said they are going to make it so you can turn off directly interacting with Gemini but it will always be running in the background, spying on you.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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[–] mat@linux.community 15 points 5 days ago

I'm personally really excited for Linux phones and want to move to one relatively soon. They've done amazing work on the experience of using them. What I'd really miss, based off of talking to folks and trying them at conventions, is:

  • battery life. My Pixel 3a lasts over a day on Android, likely much less on pmOS
  • UnifiedPush for notifications. I only see a Matrix client listed as WIP. Every other app (Fediverse, Signal) I would have to keep running in the background
  • Notifications while in sleep mode. Looks like we don't have "Doze Mode" from Android, so only calls & SMS work while asleep
  • Fingerprint sensor. More of a QoL but I kept my phone model specifically for the ergonomics of the sensor on the back, and being able to scroll with it. Communication with the sensor is not yet figured out
[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

62 comments and not a-one mentioned Sailfish OS yet?

Yes, it's not 100% open source, yes, it used to do business with Russia but not anymore since 2022, yes, it only supports a few Sony phones (available cheaply on the used market) but it is a 100% Linux operating system!

It has been my daily driver for 5 years now.

Also, Finland bonus.

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[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 12 points 5 days ago

I don't use any of the "needs" you mention (phone payments, carplay, voice anything) and can't see any of them as necessary. I can see thinking of them as cool, but that is different. I don't particularly think they're cool, but that's just me.

That said, Linux is mostly a desktop system with a CLI and some GUI tools. Phones as we know them have considerably different requirements. Linux could be underneath it all, like it is in Android, but at the end there is a lot more besides LInux and its apps.

I did use Meego/Maemo for a while (Nokia N900 and N9) and they had nice aspects, but the phones were way too small and slow.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Reading these comments it looks like it's not quite time to switch over for daily use.

Graphene is not a linux OS, but you could get a used Pixel 8 running Graphene and be happy through to 2028.

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[–] Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Huh? Is that it for the major "issues"?

Don't get me wrong, everyone has different needs and wants, and so this might not work for everyone. I was hesitant at first to let go of mobile tap to pay, but I've been going strong for a year now and just take my wallet with me everywhere anyway. I have an older car so I literally can't even use Auto/Car Play, and I was never a voice assistant type of person ever.

My biggest needs are being able to use most of the apps I use, having easy communication with my family, and security and privacy (leaning more towards security). If I could find suitable alternatives to the apps I use, and texting isn't an issue (especially with iPhones, my family all uses them), then I'd gladly hop on over to Linux phones. I know someone is working on "WINE" for Android, and if that was doable and integrated well on Linux phones, I'd be set.

Gonna spend time researching now 🧐

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