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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Graber

In 2015, Graber began working as a software engineer for SkuChain in Mountain View, California. She then worked in a factory in Moses Lake, Washington, where she soldered bitcoin mining equipment. In 2016, she began working as a junior developer for the Zcash cryptocurrency.

So lately I have been trying to figure out why people are calling BlueSky decentralized and I noticed that fun fact. It made me realize how cryptocurrencies are something else that was often technically "decentralized" but in reality controlled by a single person or group.

In case it's also not known, Jack Dorsey who helped found BlueSky is a big cryptocurrency booster.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

For me the mistrust on bluesky started when it was so easily adopted as "twitter" alternative, mastodon being just there struggling for that.

In order to achieve that a lot of money and influence have been moved around. People didn't organically moved, they were influenced to move there. I don't trust that.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 31 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Because however one feels about blockchain tech and its future, past companies within the crypto industry are notorious for selling the moon, being shady, and cashing out early. 'ZCash' appears to be a good example, particularly because a small group exerts such a high level of control over it.

And if the parallel holds, and at least some of that applies Jay Gaeber's own personal experience and expectations of what a company's trajectory should look like, it doesn't bode well for Bluesky.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 13 points 6 days ago

Because the claims of people involved with cryptocurrency are historically very untrustworthy, that's why.

The thing that got me interested is that BlueSky says it's "decentralized" but the more I look into it, it's only "decentralized" using a very narrow, highly technical definition of the term "decentralized".

Cryptocurrency is the same. People with a financial stake in cryptocurrency often say it is "decentralized" but it's only true if you accept their extremely narrow definitions of what that word means.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Kirk@startrek.website 8 points 6 days ago

I do! Thanks for the information it is another piece of evidence as to the sketchiness

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 22 points 6 days ago (3 children)

So? She was a junior engineer, probably just needed the money to scrape by. You've never worked low level roles at morally questionable companies?

[–] hypna@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

We all have bills at the end of the day, and I'm a firm believer that there are no moral companies. I'd love to drop everything and work for a non profit who only does good, but turns out my bank still expects me to pay the mortgage.

[–] rozodru@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

started my career as a developer working for an adult entertainment industry company (porn) so yeah. Everything I know today is from titties and the bang bus.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So many questions! You should consider doing an ama here sometime

[–] rozodru@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I did one years ago on Reddit and someone made a youtube video out of it without my permission that went semi-viral so I'm sure it's on there somewhere. Just youtube something like "Reddit porn industry AMA"

that's so shitty, I'm sorry they stole your content. Well, if you ever decide to do one here I couldn't promise someone wouldn't do it, but it'd be much less likely

[–] Kirk@startrek.website -2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

As I brought up in the title of my post, she's currently the highest level role at a morally questionable company. She has a pattern of behavior of working at morally questionable companies.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You weren't talking about that, you only brought up the crypto role, you made it the title of the post. You want to talk about blue sky alone? Make a separate post about that. Her junior engineer experience in crypto is an irrelevant footnote in her career.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

As a software engineer? That doesn't have to convey ideology by any means. People gotta pay the bills.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website -1 points 5 days ago

Her bills are paid now. Looks like a pattern of shady employment choices.

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

This kind of purity policing is deeply offputting IMO. And certainly won't help build federated social media.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I keep seeing people ask why people call Bluesky decentralised. I never see people call Bluesky decentralised.

(Okay, "never" isn't quite correct, I've seen the term used in relation to Bluesky maybe a handful of times but you make it sound like that's their main selling point)

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I never see people call Bluesky decentralised.

I find that surprising, because BlueSky uses that term: https://bsky.social/about/blog/02-22-2024-open-social-web

Jay Graeber herself described it as such.

Here is the Verge calling it decentralized: https://www.theverge.com/23686778/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-interview-decentralized-social-media-twitter-mastodon

Here is NYT calling it decentralized: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/22/technology/bluesky-x-alternative.html

Here is CNN calling decentralized: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/28/tech/bluesky-social/

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

Yes, because it is, you can host your own server (pds, relay and UI) on like a 30$ vps.