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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 382 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Google getting rid of all the things that made people want an android phone over an iPhone.

[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 152 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Yep, if this happens there is no benefit to android.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I mean, there is still UI/UX, app store policies, and general cost/options.

This definitely makes Android a lot less appealing. But it is also questionable to act like the biggest reason to use android was sideloading apps since the vast majority of users don't even know that is an option (and probably shouldn't since they have no understanding of how to vet them). Especially since Apple isn't any better (?).

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Comrade, the ignorance of the masses should not dilute our anger

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[–] xodoh74984@lemmy.world 221 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Remember that brief period in the US where, for a fleeting moment, Lina Khan went after a few companies for monopolistic practices?

[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago

Yeah man, those were the days.

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[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 198 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Meanwhile, back at the ranch

Malware-ridden apps made it into Google's Play Store, scored 19 million downloads

https://www.theregister.com/2025/08/26/apps_android_malware/

[–] generator@lemmy.zip 101 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right, only install "verified" from Google Play, but that is where malware is, other 3rd party app stores like F-Droid, that really verify apps are at risk of getting killed by Google

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 111 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is very obviously step one in a plan to kill apps like alternative YouTube clients that block ads, just like the Manifest V3 rollout was intended to kill ad blockers in Chrome. Once they have everyone using this verification system, then they can just arbitrarily deverify anything that contravenes whatever new acceptable usage policy they just made up.

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[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago

Google can't keep malware off the platform now, but sure, make it mandatory you can't go anywhere else unless they say so first.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 159 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How about letting the users decide what to sideload? What the hell?

I hope the EU is ready to also sue Google.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 84 points 1 week ago (17 children)

The EU already forced sideloading to be officially supported on iPhones thanks to the Digital Markets Act, and that law applies to Google as well.

The US will likely apply pressure, just like they are trying to force their death machines to be legalized on European roads. Apple already tried to pressure the union and failed, but the political climate has changed a bit since then, and while EU bureaucrats can be fierce, European leadership tends to be weak as fuck.

But yeah, chances are that this change won't apply to the EU. :)

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 124 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Google says it's no different than checking IDs at the airport.

Fucker, if I own the airport, own the planes in the airport, am the only person using my own planes in my own airport, then nobody is asking for my ID.

Our phone, our software choice.

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[–] sk1nnym1ke@piefed.social 88 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I don't like how tech is evolving...

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 73 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Konstant@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Wasn't Apple sued for not allowing sideloading?

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[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 71 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The moment I don't get to run my own stuff and F-Droid, I'll be switching off smartphones.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 53 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'll use the ugliest command line only smartphone over fully walled garden android

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Oof, time to bite the bullet and switch email providers. Shit like this is why I've spent the last couple years de-googling my life.

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[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 65 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm probably going to spam this around a bit, since most people don't seem to know about it, but a reminder that FuriLabs has a (GNU+)Linux phone with decent spec.s and the ability to run Android app.s (from what I've heard) pretty decently: https://furilabs.com/

Biggest drawback is it's based on Halium. Usual growing pains of a new product/company apply but apparently the company is pretty responsive and their dev.s have worked with customers to get things like calling working with the carrier and bands of their country where it hasn't worked before so improvements move pretty quickly.

Collection of different experiences I've variously seen online over the last year or so:

I don't own one, myself, so I can't give any personal experience but I've seen it around for a few years now but most people don't seem to even know about it. Maybe there's a reason for that? But none I've ever seen anyone say.

[–] ArchEngel@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Wow, thanks for this comment, I think I may have finally found my next phone! I did not expect Linux with android, wireless charging, NFC, and hopefully one day display out. Thanks for commenting!

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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 62 points 1 week ago (3 children)

so basically i have to send in my id to google just to sideload a test apk i made in flutter to my own phone to test it out?

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Two things especially worth noting from the article.

If you have a non-Google build of Android on your phone, none of this applies.

This means that at least GrapheneOS will be unaffected for now. Other ROMs without gapps will be unaffected only as long as you don't install gapps. Since Graphene has a sandbox for them, I'm assuming it'll be fine. That is, unless Google decides to lock the bootloader entirely.

In September 2026, Google plans to launch this feature in Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand. The next step is still hazy, but Google is targeting 2027 to expand the verification requirements globally.

So most users worldwide still have at least 1.5 years until it's implemented. Plenty of time to get a Pixel and install Graphene on it. Or to figure out some other plan.

Don't get me wrong - this is insane, unreasonable and horrible news for everyone. We should push back as hard as physically possible against it. However, at the very least we still have some time to figure things out before the policy rolls out.

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[–] MSids@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

The Android ecosystem has been feeling more like an invasive chaotic advertisement machine the past few years. The play store is a cesspool, the weather app switch was poorly executed, Google Podcasts went to the graveyard, and Google pay getting shut down meant I had to switch back to vomits Venmo.

I still have Android gaming handhelds, but why wouldn't I just get an iPhone the next time I go to replace my phone? I can't believe I'm even saying that after being so die hard Android so for years.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (14 children)

why wouldn’t I just get an iPhone

Jumping from the frying pan straight into the fire.

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[–] woland@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Great. This could be just the boost that free android needs. Graphene and eos can brace for a few new customers i guess

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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I honestly wish for the responsible people to die. A natural, painless death, but let it be quick. All of silicon valley is so evil it would be deemed unrealistic for a movie villain. They are selling out our freedoms and planet for what? They are already stinking rich.

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[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

FYI: Apple got sued for blocking other app stores. This would prevent f-droid from being installable

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[–] simsalabim@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (17 children)

EU: How often do I have to teach you, old man?

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[–] AniZaeger@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Last I checked, unverified software didn't run the risk of making my phone fly itself into, and bring down, a skyscraper.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 36 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Did some research and here are your options:

  • use custom mod (the new restriction only applies to certified devices). You can use microG (/e/, iode, Lineage) or sandboxing (GrapheneOS) to run apps requiring Google services. Google will still try to kill it but my bet is it will still work for at least a couple of years
  • Ubuntu Touch - you can buy new devices with it, it can run android apps using waydroid but you will not be able to run any apps requiring google services. It can run native Linux apps. Native UT apps are build using QML. It has a completely new system API so it's closer to Android then native Linux. It's based on Halium which uses the kernel from Android
  • PostmarketOS - native Linux running native Linux apps. Can use waydroid. Few supported devices but everything works on PinePhone Pro and few others phones.
  • Droidian or similiar - Debian running on Halium. Kind of half way between PostmarketOS and Ubunut Touch. Native Linux but running on Android based kernel

Personally, I will stick with GrapheneOS for now (my Pixel still has at least 6 years of support). When I'm unable to run all the apps I need on it I will switch to two phones setup: stock Android for work/car apps, some Linux phone for everything else. When my Pixel dies I will switch to iPhone.

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