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I'm probably going to spam this around a bit, since most people don't seem to know about it, but a reminder that FuriLabs has a (GNU+)Linux phone with decent spec.s and the ability to run Android app.s (from what I've heard) pretty decently: https://furilabs.com/
Biggest drawback is it's based on Halium. Usual growing pains of a new product/company apply but apparently the company is pretty responsive and their dev.s have worked with customers to get things like calling working with the carrier and bands of their country where it hasn't worked before so improvements move pretty quickly.
Collection of different experiences I've variously seen online over the last year or so:
- https://clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2025/07-20-flx1-actually-usable-linux-phone.gmi
- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41839326
- https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1fa1ljn/furilabs_flx1/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1j46f2w/flx1_linux_phone_display_out/
- https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/03/furiphone_flx1/
I don't own one, myself, so I can't give any personal experience but I've seen it around for a few years now but most people don't seem to even know about it. Maybe there's a reason for that? But none I've ever seen anyone say.
Halium
whats wrong with that
Basically, you're tied to whatever Google-modified version of the Linux kernel you start with. All the complaints about not being able to get updates on Android apply and you'll never get to run mainline kernel.
Not a deal breaker for me (especially when improvements here could go upstream) but it is, for some, so I just wanted to be upfront for anyone reading.
On the plus side, it's probably part of why they've been able to get Android app.s working so well.
Holy shit, the bootlicking and mental gymnastics in the article's comments:
- Phones are good now! You don't need custom ROMs!
- If you got nothing to hide you will use a stock phone!
- No average person loads custom ROMs, it's a nerd thing!
But I am a nerd, so why would I want crap like Android?
Talking about rooting and custom ROMs is so frustrating because most of the replies are always like this.
"baCk iN mY dAy I UseD to RoOt mY gALaXy s2 bUt pHoNeS aRE sO GoOd tOdAy iTs pOinTlEsS nOw"
Motherfucker, we're starting to not even be able to have full access to our own filesystem and Android gets more restrictive each year for alleged security reasons and you want to tell me this shit is not necessary anymore???
Lemmy is potentially the first place where people actually fucking get it.
I mean its kinda true. The biggest draw to custom roms back in the day was adding features that either weren't available at all or only on limited devices.
Even before google started locking shit down tight custom roms were dying because they had less and less to differentiate themselves from both each other and official android.
Now of course we've basically come full circle. We are losing wanted/needed features for "security" but shits so locked down custom roms can't provide us with those features. :(
βbaCk iN mY dAy I UseD to RoOt mY gALaXy s2 bUt pHoNeS aRE sO GoOd tOdAy iTs pOinTlEsS nOwβ
Fucking lmao, I remember people saying that a decade ago when I had my Nexus 6P.
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No average person
I hate this line of reasoning in all facets of life. And it does seem to appear in all facets of life.
Nobody is average in every way. If we accept that it's okay for every goddam thing to suit only the "average", and to hell with everyone else, then nobody will happy in more than ~3-5 aspects of their life.
Yea. Why are there so many sizes of clothes anyway? The average person doesn't need pants with a 44 inch waist. And so many food options? The average person doesn't need anything more than nutrient rich gruel.
Dick longer than 5.5 inches? Snip snip!
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We should start a co-op that buys advertising data on people that say stuff like this and then bombards them with spam that says "You have nothing to hide, [name]! You want everyone to know you love [advertising data entry tied to them]"
Maybe they like authority more than android over there
CalyxOS didnt Pause Updates bEcAusE iTS sOoOo hArD now.
They did it because they Senior Devs are Retiring and they are switching out the Cryptographic Keys, so their Security wont be compromised.
Source: https://calyxos.org/news/2025/08/01/a-letter-to-our-community/
Yeah this article read as more of a hit piece and promotion of GrapheneOS than anything else. All the "news" in the article is weeks old too.
[CalyxOS] wonβt receive any updates for the foreseeable future.
And yet, from Calyx's own article that AA linked:
[W]e have determined that it may take up to four to six months for us to provide the level of security maintenance we aim to deliver.
AA is just fucking trash clickbait bullshit at this point.
This is sad. I'm clinging to my GrapheneOS Pixel 7 until it completely breaks. By then I hope there will be decent Linux phone options or I might not get another phone at all.
Google can go fuck itself. The state stock phone from most major manufacturers come in with all that increasingly intrusive spyware that you can't uninstall or turn off should be illegal.
I wish mobile Linux was in a better state too, this sucks.
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Last month postmarket got 4G modem AND recieve voice working at the same time.
It's gonna be a hot minute, but more competition is for the best
Got to grassroots a more open platform over some decades like desktop Linux. Once a RISC-V phone comes out running some relatively normal Linux distro is out, I'll buy it as a tinker with phone. At least it'll be a portable battery powered device to run full desktop Linux when docked
What is RISC-V going to do?
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I read something on masto a while back that said something like "tech companies would remove the customer if they could" and I am very quickly adopting that as true in my brain.
they got the monopoly, now they are tightening up control. which seems to be a trend with these surveillance companies lately. not concerning at all.
i also notice how all of these brands come in courting the enthusiast, then discard them whenever they get enough traction.
Nothing better than people onboarding themselves and also onboarding others for you.
I really don't get the doomsayers in this thread, all boasting about how android is secure and private -- that's bullshit. Android may be secure, and Google has a rep of doing secure stuff, but it's hardly private, 'cos Google.
Then they go on about how you just can't do that with regular linux. Wtf?
For the most part, mobile linux distros are adapted desktop distros and all the tools you can use on android for sandboxing et al you can use on regular linux.
Are there linux distros for mobile that are on par with android? No, not at the moment and not with that attitude. Can there be? For sure, and Google's pushing it in that direction.
If you're gonna be doomsayers bitch about hardware drivers, that's indeed an issue and even that, it's, like regular linux, a matter of time until someone reverse engineers them.
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I'm surprised to never see Apostrophy OS being mentionned. Only comes with Punkt cellphone but it seems like a decent alternative that doesn't use a pixel phone.
I tried a punkt phone because I wanted a 'dumb' phone and I didn't want to look like I was using a burner. It must have been 2021 - I think it was their model 2 phone. I have to say that although the screen and body were great, overall the quality really wasn't amazing,.The usb power connector cover came off straight away and was lost, and there were various annoying little issues with the ui. It was like they had designed the bulk of it, but they still needed to work out the details. Basically none of the reviews at the time pointed out these little issues so I don't know how long the reviewers actually spent with the phone.
I'm all for independent non-andriod/ios phones. I have a pixel running graphene at the moment, and will next have an old-style nokia
It might just be that they were a newer company, and they have fixed the issues now - I hope they have. I liked the way it looked. But if you are thinking of buying one today I would look around for independent longer term reviews, or be prepared for a few annoying issues and support them anyway because of what they are doing!
Very sad state. Maybe hope lies in emulation? What I want ideally for my phone is for it to run a Linux-type desktop OS, and have light VMs (if containers won't do) running fully locked garbage Android systems for those apps that require them.
As an exclusive Linux user since the early 2000s I remember well the days programs were unavailable and website only supported Internet Explorer. Wine and virtualization remedied much of that pain.
Sad opensource and consumers are shafted!
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