Linux

I know I'm very late to the party and any comment in a thread with 200+ posts is like yelling at the void.

BUT

My experience with Windows has hardly been "it just works". In fact it has been a history of decades of tinkering and messing around with it to try and get it to do what I want.

The only difference is that Windows obscures everything, so when something breaks it does so quietly. Meaning you might not notice... Or. More likely. It'll just crash out and you don't even have an error code to google.

This isn't to say that Linux isn't a balancing act of constant maintenance. It is. Just... The Windows experience was never "better" for me from that angle. And... On some level, I enjoy all the tinkering. I think all Linux folks do.

did windows just work? It didn't for me

windows just worked

This is not how I remember windows

I had to tweak things often in Windows too. Windows pushed a broken update around December 2023 (or 2022, don't remember) and when I restored from a system image Windows itself made it broke everything worse. Windows isn't perfectly stable. There's currently a bug corrupting people's disks.

I think a huge part of it is that you're more used to the types of issues you ran into on Windows and knew how to solve them easily enough that they didn't cause headaches.

Flawless? No. But the bar is very low.

you tried one distro and it's not working out, just go and try another one. i had to try a few before i found that mint works the best for me. it has some very minor flaws but it's been smoother than wintoes

Bought a Tuxedo laptop with Linux preinstalled. Literally flawless experience. Zero glitches. Sounds like an exaggeration but my work issued macbook pro has issues here and there.

Think of your workstation running Ubuntu Studio as new shoes that need running in.

I've been using Debian Linux as my primary desktop for over 25 years. The amount of downtime I experience is negligible. When I look at the sheer volume of MacOS updates requiring a reboot, or the absurd number of "fixes" pushed by Microsoft, I'm very content.

It's been a week. Ubuntu Studio

There is your problem. I wouldn’t recommend a Canonical distro to anyone. Try Mint or Debian 13 if you absolutely need to stay in the Debian sphere. Otherwise, give Fedora a try. EndeavorOS is also friendly to Nvidia GPUs, but be careful when using AUR.

Ubuntu Studio? Why?

Yes, I have a near flawless experience with Linux, but it was years in the making. One thing people don't realize when they switch over is the amount of time you've spent in dealing with similar issues on Windows, but you did it so long ago and so often they're second nature to you, so you don't perceive them as problems. But when you start from scratch on Linux they're daunting problems because they force you to learn new stuff.

The same will happen to Linux over time, some stuff you'll fix once and forever, others you'll learn to work around and be okay with it. For me nowadays whenever I have to use Windows for something more than simple stuff it's death by a thousand cuts, because I haven't used windows in so long that my muscle memory for those caveats and weirdness (that I didn't even noticed before switching) is completely gone.

As for the specific things, you're using an Nvidia card, which is known for not playing nice with Linux, you haven't mentioned drivers but you have two options here, open source and very poorly performative Nouveau driver or the proprietary and doesn't play nice with other stuff Nvidia one. Both are bad, but probably you want the Nvidia one.

Also I don't know how Ubuntu studio is, but I would recommend you try other distros, maybe Mint or I've heard wonderful stuff for Bazzite. Any way you can have your /home be in a different partition so you don't lose your data when switching over and trying stuff, eventually you might find something that clicks for you, and it's smooth sailing from then on. Good luck.

Dude I'd be lying if I said I never had issues, and so would anyone else who uses nux as a daily driver. Let's be real though, if you have never had an issue with Windows you are part of a blessed minority. Windows works fairly well most of the time, agreed, but so does my current distro.

I'm sure you're aware that nvidia has it's own issues, but from what I've read that is improving steadily. A big part of being on nux is the freedom, the stability and the security - seems like that is what attracted you in the first place. I think the early days of switching are definitely the hardest. As you have experienced, it can be downright fiddly. It's also largely unfamiliar, and you spend hours googling and trying to find solutions. The upside is that eventually you will solve most of these problems, or they will be solved in an update. You also gain a deeper knowledge of your OS and your machine in the process, and an appreciation of how very complex and beautiful it all is. It's a fair but at times frustrating trade.

Keep at it, things will work out eventually. Distro hopping can be fun and you may find something that works beautifully with your configuration, or you might not. Hope it goes well for you friend.

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: it starts with hardware.

It's sad to say but a flawless Linux experience out of the box often comes from picking the right hardware first. Chose vendors who actively support Linux. AMD/Intel CPUs, APUs and/or GPUs. Intel WiFi card. Everything else should work ootb except most fingerprint sensors. Avoid laptops with dGPUs. Avoid nVidia. Hardware support comes from hardware vendors, the days of janky community drivers have been over for almost 2 decades. When it's time for you to replace your hardware, do your homework first and/or buy from companies who sell Linux machines (Framework, Tuxedo, Slimbook, Starlabs, System76, some Dells, some Lenovos, etc). You can still buy from random companies but there won't be any guarantees.

Then, the choice of distro in kinda important but not that much. In my 20+ years of actively using and working with Linux, both in the desktop and server space, I've always found Ubuntu and its derivatives kind of janky. I'm a lifelong Debian user, but my best experience on modern hardware have been Fedora on my main laptop and its atomic derivative Bazzite on my gaming rig. Bazzite also comes with a nVidia-specific image for those who can't/wont replace their GPU.

Nowadays to limit interactions between system and user-facing applications, I tend to install most things from Flathub. It might not help with hardware issues, but it helps with stability.

Regarding the specific issues mentioned: Nvidia support is subpar on Linux. There's many distros that are specifically designed to handle all the graphics support for gaming and Ubuntu isn't one of them.

Little bit of lore here: When I first started using Linux Nvidia support was better than ATI because they actually bothered to maintain a proprietary Linux driver. There were open source drivers for both but they weren't performant. The proprietary ATI driver existed but it was maintained by one dude and required a goat sacrifice to install correctly. Since then, however, maybe after AMD bought ATI, they started investing in the open source driver. After that the open source driver just works and competes with the proprietary Nvidia driver. After that I've been brand loyal to AMD.

LibreWolf chewing up 3.2Gb is regrettably just normal for a modern browser. Firefox and Chrome will do this too. I'd be genuinely impressed though if Vivaldi has avoided that.

The premise of the question is that it's somehow supposed to be a flawless experience.

Nothing is flawless. Linux has a learning curve. Everything does.

The advantage to Linux is, if you learned Linux 15 years ago, then got stranded on a desert island, got rescued, and installed a new distro today, you can still count on more or less everything working exactly as you expect it to - maybe a bit smoother.

With Windows, who knows? It's death from a thousand tiny cuts every other day to avoid a deeper, persistent, and meaningful understanding of your system. The time you spend learning how to do things in Linux isn't WASTED. That knowledge will never STOP being useful. It's best not to look at it as an annoyance so much as an INVESTMENT.

My advice would be, only use vanilla/default/official versions of the most popular distros. Ubuntu, not Ubuntu Studio, Fedora, not (I don't know what variants there are) Fedora. Do not use specialized distros, for example a gaming distro. Do not use 3rd party repos. Do not manually install any packages from anywhere. If you want something and official repos of your official distro cannot do it, just don't do it. Do not try to find a workaround and make it happen.

After using Linux for a while you'll become more comfortable with it and you'll slowly start moving outside the above limitations. The best and worst thing about Linux is that your OS is yours and you can tinker with all of its parts. But you shouldn't, at the beginning. If you were to tinker with Windows like that, it would also break.

Do you guys just have flawless experiences or what? ... NVIDIA

Never had a flawless experience with NVIDIA. Hopefully their grift dies and gets replaced with RISC-V or similar open source...

Otherwise my linux machines have been awesome.

Am I missing something and it doesn’t have to be this hard

Nothing was missed. You said in your post that you're using NVIDIA. No, it doesn't need to be that hard.

is this what Linux is?

That's what proprietary tech is. I definitely wouldn't blame open source projects for the widespread abuse/failure of technology under capitalism.

Constant maintenance no.

Currently I have some issues with the Nvidia driver acting up. So I am getting good at purging it and reinstalling it. Maybe once a month.

Under Ubuntu desktop.

My server I have very little issues. For mye Proxmox environments I have a small issue after restart it doesn’t properly month a NFS share. If I don’t do mount -a.

My laptop I have a constant issue that hibernating don’t work with encryption out of the box. So I have to turn if off or connected it to power. I think there have been mad some progress but I haven’t reinstalled Ubuntu for 2 years.

Windows was just the boat you already knew.

Now you have a new (more adaptable) one and don't know all it's squeaks and rattles. You're neither dumb nor is something wrong. You just aren't familiar with what it needs from you.

Give it some time (a week compared to how long in windows?) and attention and soon you'll wonder why you ever second guessed it.

i'd recommend trying things out first. You are still in the beginning phrase, so try different distros. When you do, look for stuff like

• forum support. Is it popular ? Ubuntu Studio may not be as popular as vanilla Ubuntu and even when theyre from the same family, you can expect minor differences.

• i know this is not Windows. But say your OS is corrupted, how fast and easy it is for you to reinstall?

Example: Pop OS has a dedicated partition to reinstall the OS right in the grub menu - you dont need a separate USB drive for this. On the other hand, Archlinux requires you to mount the partitions correctly (yout home, root....etc), then you can go and fix your systems.

• do you like how the package manager work? I dont like Ubuntu because it has these different sources that can get convoluted. Arch's AUR can be very messy. Fedora for me is the way because I like DNF. Plus, its syntax is easy to remember.

In short, no. Linux can be adversarial, finicky, and sometimes just plain bullshit. That's the price of device freedom though. Can't speak for anyone else, but it does get easier the longer you stick with it though.

Honestly? Yeah so far. I swapped to Bazzite after getting a new AMD rig in early July. There was a little bit of setup for the first few weeks, but it's worked perfectly for the whole last month.

I did have many, many issues on my last computer when I was on an Nvidia card though. My impressions are that Linux can be very hardware dependent, and Nvidia is kinda notorious for not supporting their hardware.

You might like bazzite. I think it auto installs everything and has the discover store for installing flatpacks. Bazzite is based on steam os and is KDE on top of fedora. Its annoying to install software outside of flatpack, so im graduating to debian this weekend, but its a good first distro imo.

Linux is annoying to learn. Debian supposedly is a much more simple version of linux without the immutable FS, which i like. You have to install your software yourself however. Bazzite is good if you want a minimal hassle install but not much customizability outside of the flatpack system.

Linux is worth it if you can get your head around it. I have been using it for a few years and im sort of figuring it out finally and I will mever gocback to windows again. The one thing that temps me to use windows again is the ease of installing software, like adb and java and stuff.

Alao dont forget to download lutris and install proton GE which has wider support for games(extra visual C redistributables and stuff) windows is basically dying at this point. It kills my storage and constantly is lagging because of the security stuff and file scanning. Many games have a 15% penelty in windows these days compared to emulating in proton on linux. Windows is consitently becoming less backward compatible with each update and is mostly just spyware at this point. Might as well bite the bullet and just dig into linux for a few years until you figure it out.

I'm on AMD, but I do still run into frequent issues. Normally with Ubuntu variations most things just work but not everything.

Linux is created mostly by unpaid volunteers, so it's gonna have it's faults. For so many reasons I'm inclined not to use Windows so finding that a feature doesn't work isn't a big deal for me.

Nvidia, Nvidia did this.

You're conflating a bunch of things that aren't Linux issues here.

1. You didn't have the proper setup for Nvidia to start with. Shouldn't be a problem in the future.
2. If Vivaldi had screen flickering, that's on their software, and almost guaranteed to be an issue with their hardware acceleration.
3. Librewolf is probably the same problem as above. Try disabling hardware acceleration.

That's my overall experience with Ubuntu really. Bene using it for work and everyday there's some new annoyance

What you are experiencing is called a learning curve. Don't let it get you angry, learn from it. NVIDIA is known to be problematic for Linux users (I have had my share of issues with my 2080 Ti) but once it is setup it is problem free. Librewolf is known to be one of the chunkier options, but 3gb really isn't that much for modern systems (especially if you have 16 or 32gb of memory). I would personally take Librewolf's privacy features over closed-source Vivaldi any day. Linux overall is much more efficient than Windows and I would bet that your system idle memory usage with nothing open is lower than it was with Windows.

In my first year I had multiple issues with Linux. Mainly because I tried to install stuff that wasn't meant for my version of the OS but for an older one and I blindly followed the "black market" tutorials how to uninstall and reinstall packages to meet requirements. That corrupted my system and I had to repair it multiple times. Also, I played around with many distros and multibooted them all, destroying my grub once or twice.

Now that I use Ubuntu for a "longer" time, I rarely have issues except hardware specific ones. For example the webcam doesn't work on my dell laptop because apparently it is not supported right out of the box. But apart from that I have no issues compared to windows (where imho windows 11 is an issue in itself).

All of the long time Linux users have what you perceive as flawless experiences because they already did all the stumbling you did and more. Every operating system has steep learning curves and you will struggle with how it does things when first starting out. I recently had to start using Windows again after exclusively using Linux for years (and Windows 11 no less which I never used before) and there are plenty of times I've failed to do simple things I could do on Linux without even thinking.

NVIDIA

Welp, there's your problem. I have an NVIDIA card as well and it's been the source of at least 95% of my Linux headaches.

I've tried a few distros and Linux Mint was definitely the most "just works" for me. Make sure you're using the proprietary NVIDIA drivers, regardless of what option you choose. Currently I use SpiralLinux (Debian with a few tweaks) because I really like the BTRFS snapshots and fell in love with KDE during my distro-hopping, but Mint is what I would recommend to the vast majority of people.