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Got home from lunch with some friends right as 3 (three!) CID officers pulled up looking for me, over "malicious communications" I "may" have made. 5 hours later I was back home, having charmed them into asking for only a 2 sentence "I'm sorry for bullying you" letter as punishment. Not even a caution. Skip to the last section if you just want the analysis without story.

Let's be clear, I was extremely uncivil in my email (cw gross insults, mention of suicide)Among my ranting - i.e these are the bits the cops actually brought up - I accused him of getting off on blowing up Palestinian kids to be so rabid in his support for Israel, compared him to Hitler and the Royal Family, and signed it with "Fuck you and kill yourself". I did not include any threats, actionable or not, veiled or not, or anything that could be interpreted as a threat to him - the closest I came was the phrase "kill yourself". The cops specifically stated that there was nothing threatening in the message.

I'm not trying to pretend what I said wasn't offensive, it was meant to be. Fuck him, he doesn't even have local support, nearly the entire Constituency Labour Party quit when the PLP forced his nomination on them, and since then he's unflinchingly supported Starmer's evil. Multiple people I know have sent very polite emails stating their objections to his support of Israel, and all received the same proforma zionist reply talking about Israel's "right to exist", so seeing as their politeness got ignored I aimed to make him just straight feel bad about the things he votes for, but that's all I did. I used some mean words, but it stayed well within the realm of just words.

Potentially I could have "no comment"-ed everything to make a big deal about it - I would 100% lose in court and get up to 2 years in prison and a fine, but it would drag things out in a way that attracted negative publicity for my MP and the police at an already quite volatile time - but instead, mainly for reasons that will stay between my solicitor and I, I was completely cooperative, making even more of a farce of the whole situation.
The cops arrived on edge and ready for something - a chase, a fight, an emotional breakdown - and instead got polite compliance from a charming and well spoken young man ("man"). They aren't used to people being friendly, helpful, and "open" while being arrested - they had to confer about putting cuffs on me before deciding there was no point. They certainly aren't used to receiving a cheerful admission of "guilt" and well thought out explanation of just what someone did to receive such abuse - once we finally got to the interview they were nodding along while I talked about evidence of the Israeli genocide being all over the news and the OSA doing nothing to protect women even before the technical implementation is considered.
With my solicitors help I didn't even actually have to say that I'd done anything wrong (not sure if it's the autism or what but I find it really difficult to use moral language to describe legality, even within the context of lying to authority figures), just that I could have used different phrasing (not a lie), I was sorry (definitely a lie) and wouldn't do it again (probably not a lie, but we'll see). She had to kick me under the table a few times to make sure I didn't get too close to certain subjects, but I was able to make it obvious that there was no crime here, just emotional language wrapping intelligent and legitimate complaints from someone who equally obviously wasn't a troublemaker, really a credit to their community, and the detectives ate it up. It was clear to them this was a complete nonissue of a case that just needs a light slap on the wrist to fulfil the requirements of the law, all tidied up just in time to clock out. They didn't even need to actually check my phone - I mean, I already admitted to sending the email, and I would hardly have given it over so willingly if there was something incriminating on there, would I?

The takeaway from the experience is that politicians are becoming scared of their constituents and are using the police to intimidate them, and it is obvious to everyone. I told my boss and he thought I was fucking with him. I told some libs at work and they started going on about 2004 honda accord jojo well. I told my dealer and he started laughing because I've been buying drugs from him for years. Even the coworker who's literally dating a cop was appalled. The unanimous reaction has been that while my email was maybe a little excessive, arresting me goes far beyond any reasonable response. Even the cops found it excessive - I wasn't joking about the two sentence apology and slap on the wrist, on releasing me the arresting officer literally said they were required to punish me because I'd admitted to breaching the 19whatever malicious communications act, but they were giving me the smallest possible punishment they had the power to give out.

I don't really know where else to go with this so TLDR:
clown-to-clown-communication ukkk clown-to-clown-conversation

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[–] tane@lemy.lol 3 points 15 hours ago

What’s his email address? I have some stuff I’d like to say and they can’t touch me

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 14 hours ago

broken clock and whatnot, orwell wrote a whole book about how miserable it is to be an englishman

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If this got you arrested I'm going to jail for life for the many many many extremely offensive complaints I have written to the BBC and various newspaper outlets throughout the last 2 years.

You're a chad. Let nobody tell you otherwise.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Right? They asked if I'd ever communicated with him before and I could truthfully say no, I haven't. Previous MPs, yes, other members of parliament, yes, various government enforcement agencies, yes, just not this specific man who has only been in office for 2 years.

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Frankly I'm wondering why liberals still pretend Democracy matters at all.

From my point of view, all it amounts to is periodically deciding which unaccountable rulers you want your concerns to be ignored by.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

Because it's much more about the idea of it, how it looks "in theory" vs actual reality. They despise the idea of "the purpose of the system is what it does" and insist that it is just a "few bad apples" ruining things for everyone.

There's also a classist element to it if you let them go on long enough, they'll admit that they don't want the poors making decisions, so the best possible system is a democracy, but one where only the "best" people in society actual influence policy. Sometimes it is just classism, sometimes it is just straight up racism hiding behind classism.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I don't understand what was the actual charge? I just read the wiki for the Malicious Communications Act and it says

makes it illegal in England and Wales to "send or deliver letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety".

Seems like it would be very hard to prove that the intent is to cause distress or anxiety and not to cause him using his power differently.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Seems like it would be very hard to prove that the intent is to cause distress or anxiety and not to cause him using his power differently.

It would be judged against what a "reasonable person" thinks, which, generally speaking, I think most people in the country would agree that telling someone to kill themselves has intent to cause distress.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago

Suicide-baiting is plainly a way of causing distress. This is an extremely ridiculous and unjust law as-concerns politicians, but OP did violate the law because literally just intentionally being rude to someone in an email is a violation of the law

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

How about sending some figures about unemployment, global warming, national debt, inflation, and voter turnout. Maybe that’s crossing the line, because these things are well known to cause distress and anxiety.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

The specific legal wording makes it easier - it doesn't need to be the sole or primary purpose, just a purpose of the communication, so it's actually so broad that it could potentially be applied to basically any insult.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I'll be honest, I've never liked this line of reasoning because there's plenty cyberbullies can do (SWATting you, harassing your friends and family, exposing your private life to your conservative employer and getting you fired) that you can't make go away by turning off the computer. Not to mention that many people (amateur artists and crafters in particular) depend on the internet to secure their livelihood and can't just log off because then they won't be able to buy food or pay their rent.

All of those things are more than cyber bullying though

[–] EldenRingBedTime@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

I don't think it's a coincidence that all the things you listed happen in-person to some extent and aren't words on a screen though.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I know, I was just trying to be funny, I don't actually condone cyberbullying (unless it's against someone who truly deserves it).

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

I, also, condone doing bad things to bad people. i-think-that

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

I did nearly ask if sending that Tyler the creator tweet would be a problem, but I was already out at that point and my sister was giving me a look.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd send a very polite letter about how I wasn't sorry. Or, resend the letter with an apology just for an opportunity to make whoever in their office to have to read it again.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Im sorry for saying [original email]. I will not send those words again frizz-wink "

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Just start sending that shit once a month... "Hey, it's me again. I still can't believe I called you a dumpster-fire ..."

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One of our bravest posters fidel-salute hero-of-socialist-labor

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

As much as I'd like to call myself brave I was mostly insulated from the situation by a cozy blanket of autism and relief it wasn't about a real crime. Most of the people I know who have been arrested have been pretty shaken by the experience, but they put me in a quiet room without too much decoration, nobody around to bother me, and a nice thick book to keep me occupied. I've been chasing that my whole life, it's just not going to intimidate me at all.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

Cyberbullying your elected officials is always morally correct.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

2004 honda accord jojo well

I don't understand this reference, but I would like to state that the 2004 Honda Accord was a real workhorse. I owned one for the last two decades, and it survived four crashes before my insurance finally made me total it recently. Still paid me out a few grand for the car.

[–] Vanilla987654321@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

I think the car model is a reference to the IRA's love for car bombs.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

It was an extremely oblique 1984 reference -I don't really have opinions on specific car models, I just find the names funny.

[–] sictransitgloria@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sorry you went through that experience. it sounds like you handled it really well tbh

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

I have mixed feelings about having gone to a grammar school - how at odds private education is with my values, but also how many of those values were formed from seeing the world from an angle I wouldn't have been able to at a public school - but for once I'm straight up thankful I went and learnt how to be charming as a mode of attack. Deferring to their knowledge while preempting their instructions, just things like saying "after you" a second before they could instruct me to follow them, undermined their authority and put them a little off balance without them being able to identify it as anything other than gracious politeness.
Really importantly though, I wouldn't recommend any of what I did as a general approach to being arrested. I have a bunch of privileges I knew would influence their attitude towards me, like being white, identifiably male, and well spoken, and other privileges I knew I could lean on to help out, like having a strong support network in my friends and family, so combined with the frivolity of the crime I was doing all of it from a fairly safe position. If I was a minority or looked poorer there's a good chance it would have been seen as being cheeky and resulted in at least a caution, and if my parents didn't already know a bunch of solicitors I wouldnt have been able to project confidence in the way I did.

[–] gingerbrat@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

So now we finally know what your PhD is in: Cop Charming!

Kidding aside, I'm glad you handled it so well, and I really hope you never have to deal with this again. Proud of you for calling out an asshole politician, though I would've loved to see the cops' expressions when you complied fidel-salute