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Very upset that both people I asked about the NYPD union negotiations refused to answer my question. SOMEONE GIVE ME AN ANSWER YOU COWARDS 
If you don't, it means that I am correct in my assessment thay Mamdani cannot freeze the police budget, and he probably knows that.
New mega just dropped.
Here's a constructive question for Hexbears who don't believe in making electoral politics a core part of their strategy. (Disclosure: I am one of these users)
How do you incrementally increase the power of your movement, without just trying to set off The Big Uprising that brings the whole bourgeois state down? You need strong organizations or federations or alliances to do this, and you need a lot of preparedness, contingency plans, and luck. What is there to do in the meantime besides just take long shots at the big prize, and what do we do to meaningfully increase our chances of making the long shots work?
If electoral campaigns don't bring lasting gains of people and energy to the movement, what does?
To me the problem is not electoral campaigns, it is working within bourgeois parties (Dems) that’s the issue. You will never build a movement on the foundation of bourgeois orgs.
Anything where we can make and solidify gains on an incremental basis: for example, union drives, contract fights, tenant organizing, expanding land trusts.
The best is if these activities either: let us practice self management (for example, creating housing and business coops) or put us in direct conflict with the capitalist class (for example, a contract fight) or better yet, both (a contract fight in a union like UE, IATSE or the ILWU).
I actually think certain forms of electoralism can dovetail really nicely with this, if you run ballot initiatives that increase your capacity to organize (like, you could do a tenants rights initiative enforced through self-help and then organize people to do self-help en masse).
The old CPUSA of the 30s - 50s used to talk about "developing leaders" through union activity. So you'd organize a strike at a plant, find people who were really into it and then deliberately on-ramp them into the party. This way you're making both incremental gains for the class (in the contract) while also deepening the bench for your movement. There's no reason that organizing economic self-help like coops or tenant organizing couldn't develop leadership the same way.
Yesss this is the good shit 
Finally someone talking sense in here
This is the way(as someone against electoralism) organizing through labor gives us more power, direct hands on experience, and a closer in with the working class. Same for disability and tenant organizing. Not everybody votes but people work or pay rent or are disabled
Taking some questions and photos with Warren is "campaigning with her" now? He's the democratic candidate for New York City, he's accepting bended knees from the radlibs not the other way around, what policies or talking points has he changed because of her
"Allegedly upset that NYPD is losing 200 officers a month"
Then provide the MOTHERFUCKING QUOTE YOU WRECKER FUCKS, wtf is this destiny-style ass vague accusation horseshit?
wtf is this destiny-style ass vague accusation horseshit
Rare moment I wish more people were serially online so they knew what I was talking about when I used this.
You seriously need to calm down and quit fucking calling people wreckers. Having a critical opinion of a politician is not wrecker shit. The vast majority of us who have a skeptical eye towards him are not opposed to him winning and would be glad to see some real progressive policies enacted. Calling people wreckers, stupid, doomers, etc. is not constructive and tbh your back and forth about this recently just looks like a huge tantrum and not worth listening to no matter how much evidence you present to people.
I know that you poured a lot of yourself into his campaign, and I do hope that he wins, I think he's got it in the bag. But, it is disheartening to see that right after he won the primary, it appears that he has weakened his position publicly, in interviews, which are the only things that the general public will going to go by.
That said, I agree that this post in particular is very uncharitable and there is no evidence backing it's claim.
I do have genuine questions that you would probably be best equipped to answer. How will Mamdani circumvent the conditions of the NYPD union contract, that I believe is currently under negotiation, in order to ensure that their funding is frozen? This does not seem feasible to me. I linked some of the ratified proposals that NYPD won in their last contract elsewhere and I can link it for you if you'd like.
Next question: you keep talking about him making radlibs bend the knee, which ones are you talking about specifically? Other politicians like AOC/Bernie/Warren, liberal voters in NYC, or the business interests that he just met with?
Do people really not remember the NYDP shadowing and doxing De Blasio's daughter when he started talking about cutting their budget? There is a reason politicians fear (literal not figurative) taking on the NYPD, it's budget is larger than the military of some countries.
You seriously need to calm down and quit fucking calling people wreckers
If someone posts unsubstantiated tweets by a bullshit artist, then don't whine when they get called a wrecker
All I want are the quotes and videos proving these accusations, apparently demanding ANY level of due diligence is out of bounds for the anti-Zohran crowd, why is that? If Zohran is such an obvious bust then it should be easy, you see anybody coming to AOC's defense these days?
PULL OUT THE RECEIPTS
Having a critical opinion of a politician is not wrecker shit.
That's different from making claims without substantiating them with actual evidence. A meme isn't proof, this isn't facebook. No investigation, no right to speak
From outside the US, i think people need to log off. He's literally not "done" anything, there's no falling for anything (yet). But it certainly doesn't seem very useful to panic every time he shows that he's... a demsoc. I never saw anyone pretend he was anything more than that.
Your elections are pretty fucked, best you can expect is to educate and agitate, and find relatively better footholds locally by improving local laws and conditions, as best as you're able. All the political theater of election cycles and all the media stuff before someone is elected, that's all pretty dumb imo. It's theater, it's media strategy, it's fucking tiring and it's not very productive to obsess about.
You fucking watched this video, and your takeaway was "Mamdani fucking loves cops now"? I don't get it. Are we just accepting the framing from a self-identified MAGA Twitter account now? Did you make this meme? I'm seriously confused here. This "Pivot to Police" is literally right-wing framing being used, right now, against Mamdani:
The question was: "You know, there's been a lot of talk here today about Andrew Como, and apparently, the person who wants to become the Mayor of New York, is now going to be calling on you and others to do something about increasing the number of police, not just accepting the number of police that are there now. But also to keep up the SRJ, which was responsible last week for going after the shooter last week on Park Avenue, and I wonder, you know obviously hes trying to go after a weak spot on you. I wonder if you would like to respond to that because that's going to be his campaign pitch."
His answer was:
These are the exact kinds of policies that grew out of the Defund the Police movement in 2020.
What's the deal here? The obvious way you fund this is by cutting police budgets and shifting that money into human services like the ones he's referring to. Did you actually think Mamdani was going to abolish the NYPD? He would be the fucking head of the NYPD, for Christ sake. Even still, the right-wing media is trying to skewer him for his answer here. Somehow, they've come all the way around to being pro-defunding the fucking police because he outlined changes to the NYPD that could only be achieved through taking some of their annual funding, which won't even be actual cuts, as we've seen before, but instead a pause in budget increases, or a 0% increase on the yearly budget.
that could only be achieved through taking some of their annual funding
Well that's not true
Cops can just do less and NYPD can piss away the savings on a policing LLM or whatever new toy will fix everything
What's the deal here? The obvious way you fund this is by cutting police budgets and shifting that money into human services like the ones he's referring to. Did you actually think Mamdani was going to abolish the NYPD? He would be the fucking head of the NYPD, for Christ sake.
I wanted to mention this yesterday but I didn't want to be arguing with nerds all fucking day, but like, yeah
the same people shitting on him for "standing next to Elizabeth Warren" (????) are the same people who cheer when he says shit like he's going to arrest Netanyahu if he comes to NYC- how the fuck do they think he's going to have anyone arrested without a police force?????
Hire me and my friends
these ultras that keep falling for fascist randos rhetoric is so annoying man. ultras are indistinguishable from radlibs istg
They are indistinguishable from radlibs because they functionally do nothing and are constantly annoying.
Op should touch grass
Are we DSA posting? Its hilarious that dunking on SM has left containment, bring on the Groundwork memes
Struggle session feels silly here. I think we can give limited, critical support to genuine Demsocs as being the better of the shit options, without believing they'll be good in all respects.
Mamdani significantly > Cuomo? Heck yeah. Actual socialist significantly > Mamdani? Also heck yeah.
nah, its a site tradition to have a DSA struggle sess every few months
The CIA doesn't need cointel pro anymore. The state of the post-Bernie left is that if anyone left of center so much as wins a primary we just start tearing ourselves apart.
with cointel amateurs like these, who needs cointel pros?
Anyone need a coffee? Was thinking of taking a bit of a break and popping out to grab one.
The progressive senator from Massachusetts swung by New York City on Monday to pay homage to Mamdani, who overwhelmingly won the Democratic nomination for mayor in June — but still hasn’t secured endorsements from many of New York’s party leaders.
Bro, you don't NEED their endorsements! There were like 2-3 other candidates whose votes will go to you in the main election!! You fucking won the primary, even being labeled a dirty socialist! THE MASSES WANT SOCIALISM IT'S NOT A SCARY WORD ANYMORE!!! 
This is some dumb shit and I didn't need to see it. Fuck you for posting it.
idk how people can watch someone win an election and see the entirety of the bourgeoisie shit themselves over it and then believe literally any and every thing they hear about them that would make them not like/discontinue their support of them without thinking "wow idk maybe I should step back here a bit and see what they even end up doing once elected"
no, better to go running hot to the presses with 
shit every time Mamdani's caught talking to a democrat because him being a neoliberal sheepdog sleeper agent "here to defuse revolutionary sentiment" is apparently infinitely more likely in the minds of some than "they're smearing mamdani in literally every possible way" even though we literally saw a multi-month long period where they threw essentially whatever they could fucking think of at the wall to see if it would stick
maybe he's upset the NYPD is only losing 200 officers a month and wants to bump that number up? 
Just leaving myself a reminder to read this later when it's passing 100 comments 
The contents of this tweet are disturbing IF true but I’m not going to take this at face value, lots of bullshit flying around.
Just a reminder that in America social workers are often functioning as cops, they are usually agents of the bourgeois state and not inherently doing good.
Lotta Charlie browns in this thread who are real sure they’re gonna kick the football this time!
It's the DSA; Democratic Sellouts of America. Did people honestly believe it was going to be any other way? When you dance with the devil, you don't change the devil, the devil changes you.
did he actually say something bad or is this just fatalistic doomerism?