"Ummm actually, both things can be bad."
"Uhh sweety, both things can be bad actually."
"Have you considered that hypothetically China bad."
"Both things are bad, unlike you tankies we can critise all types of imperialism... 
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Lol like clockwork, there is already some comments like this.
I've read the freedom road's take on the tiananmen square incident and the tensions at the time, but why was it not a bad situation?
It was a bad situation. Two hundred people were murdered, among them innocent non-combatants, either bystanders or lawful protestors.
OOP is making the argument that yanks should clean up their own house first. The person you're replying to is making the argument that the mentions of this event by westerners is cognitive dissonance, side-lining, essentially forgiving, comparable bad situations resulting from actions perpetrated in their name while disingenuously condemning their government-ordained enemies without knowledge or investment in the situation.
As a leftist, you sometimes make the argument that evidence of the western institutional dishonesty can be found in seeing what events are mythologised and exaggerated. Take a scenario where something bad happened, but the western myth is something worse. Or perhaps something sad and regrettable happened, but the western myth omits context and details such that it seems malicious. You might then challenge someone to contemplate why the myths exist in the forms they do. Wouldn't you benefit from an accurate understanding? It's tiring to hear that answered with only "both sides", since it's obvious the person you're talking to didn't actually contemplate the contradiction, and instead defaulted to their programming. Western programming allows allies infinite culpability to an infinite number of crimes because they are all ultimately forgiven with flimsy and inevitable excuses.
"Christian Nation" spots splinter in China's eye while ignoring plank in its own.
You know more than one country can be dangerous, inhumane and unjust, right?
You know that being from a country doesn't automatically mean you agree with everything that country's government does, right?
You are from that country, tho. So do something about that or shut up about the foreigners.
Not to mention, "Tiananmen Square massacre" is a fabrication from US and their UK media lackeys in the same way they fabricated the beheaded babies and the Nayirah testimony and literally too many instances to name.
What happened was a violent clash between the government and US sponsored terrorists trying to hijack a wide-tent protest which dissipated quickly after the violence started. The US kills and has continued to kill more people than that on a weekly basis for decades, without even the veneer of legitimate self defense. Kent State massacre, the entirety of COINTELPRO, MOVE bombings, the killing of the Ferguson protesters.
There's one person in jail RIGHT NOW for every 200 in the US. Cops kill black and latino people on camera, unprovoked, following horrible displays of cruelty, then flaunt it in your face that you're gonna pay for them to do it again.
Shut up about china or anywhere else in the world that isn't funded by your government fr.
What happened was a violent clash between US sponsored terrorists trying to hijack a wide-tent protest which dissipated quickly after the violence started.
Can you support this claim with evidence?
Another View of Tian'anmen by Sun Feiyang and Roderic Day is a good introduction to the backgrounds of the protest, its distortion and foreign-backed influence, and western media distortion of both the context and the events of June 4th themselves. For further reading, Qiao Collective's Tian'anmen Protests Reading List has a lot more you can dive into. Both should give you a better understanding of the non-western viewpoint on what's officially called in China as the "June 4th Incident."
Thank you
No problem!
Given that cowbee has very kindly provided a source already I just wanna clarify that I didn't mean a clash among terrorists themselves, but among them and the government, I just lost a few words in the process of rewriting the sentence.
Still making jokes about North Corea?