this post was submitted on 01 Aug 2025
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[โ€“] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

nerd "Ummm actually, both things can be bad."

maybe-later-honey "Uhh sweety, both things can be bad actually."

debate-me-debate-me "Have you considered that hypothetically China bad."

atlantic-council "Both things are bad, unlike you tankies we can critise all types of imperialism... lenin-dont-laugh

[โ€“] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 21 hours ago

Lol like clockwork, there is already some comments like this.

[โ€“] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I've read the freedom road's take on the tiananmen square incident and the tensions at the time, but why was it not a bad situation?

[โ€“] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 19 hours ago

It was a bad situation. Two hundred people were murdered, among them innocent non-combatants, either bystanders or lawful protestors.

OOP is making the argument that yanks should clean up their own house first. The person you're replying to is making the argument that the mentions of this event by westerners is cognitive dissonance, side-lining, essentially forgiving, comparable bad situations resulting from actions perpetrated in their name while disingenuously condemning their government-ordained enemies without knowledge or investment in the situation.

As a leftist, you sometimes make the argument that evidence of the western institutional dishonesty can be found in seeing what events are mythologised and exaggerated. Take a scenario where something bad happened, but the western myth is something worse. Or perhaps something sad and regrettable happened, but the western myth omits context and details such that it seems malicious. You might then challenge someone to contemplate why the myths exist in the forms they do. Wouldn't you benefit from an accurate understanding? It's tiring to hear that answered with only "both sides", since it's obvious the person you're talking to didn't actually contemplate the contradiction, and instead defaulted to their programming. Western programming allows allies infinite culpability to an infinite number of crimes because they are all ultimately forgiven with flimsy and inevitable excuses.

"Christian Nation" spots splinter in China's eye while ignoring plank in its own.

[โ€“] Zerush@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 day ago

Still making jokes about North Corea?