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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 128 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

Stop using the Internet. Seriously.

I already only used open source products for decades now, and the Internet is just a network, you can use different networks, different protocols if you want, even embedded on current Internet protocols, or maybe use even something that completely sidesteps the Internet

Either way, the Internet has mostly been a failure

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I dont mind if its implemented like it has been in germany for a while with eID. With an open source desktop or mobile app that uses NFC to talk to your ID and can be used to verify your age online to a 3rd party without leaking your birthday or any other personal info to them.

I dont know why there is so much screaming about age verification going on when these cryptographically provable anonymous systems already exist. Remember that "stop killing games" EU campaign with a million signatures? That also used exactly this system.

I would prefer not having any verification, but as that is not gonna happen at this point, i think its more important to focus on HOW to implement it. I dont understand why these companies like discord arent being forced to use these existing verification systems. Those arent legally provable at all so why arent they being sued for this?

[–] Dr_Vindaloo@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's very unlikely that most states will use a truly open source solution, especially when big tech makes it so easy not to. Case in point: https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technical-specification/discussions/19

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[–] bandarbaru_1@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago

stop using internet and we can go back spending more time in farms, book, etc. what a peaceful day ✨

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[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 88 points 3 weeks ago

Stop using any sites that require ID.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 75 points 3 weeks ago

the internet won't ask shit, specific websites will, which can and should be avoided

[–] LemmyThinkAboutThat@lemmy.myserv.one 61 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

Stop using any sites that require ID.

Ditto. Also:

  • Try to use Memoji to make fake ID
  • Go to the mall =O
  • Go to the library
  • Go to the brick and mortar places I used to visit before getting everything online (eg. bank, fam owned businesses)
  • Talk to people instead of AI (going to practice that this weekend)
  • Go for a walk outside instead of updating the firmware on treadmill
  • Buy stamps! (and stationery, no more ecards or evites)
  • Learn to plant food in addition to flowers
  • Use iPhone to make phone calls
  • Maybe buy a newspaper… maybe
  • Use my cookbooks more (after I dust them off)
  • Think of a new name/alias(es) for myself and start acting the part

…just to name a few.

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (10 children)

Don't use iPhone, use Fairphone with /e/OS or any dump phone, even the old Nokia in your drawer, which for sure still works, and only for calls.

Use the I2P network

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[–] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 47 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I'll continue to not ask for ID and run my own services open to anyone and everyone.

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[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 3 weeks ago

Hope that this will completely kill the corporate Internet and switch to exclusively using FOSS federated or decentralized services for everything.

[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 46 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I will leave the internet and seek alternatives.

[–] The_Grinch@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We have gemini, IPFS, and usenet to my knowledge.

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[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

I'll avoid the ID demanding sites. Feels similar to how I never got into iPods because I didn't like iTunes, mp3 players still happened.

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[–] Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz 34 points 3 weeks ago
[–] appropriateghost@lemmy.ml 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've gone long years without using any social media associated to my identity, as many others do, and i'll eat my cooked shirt if I start thinking, "hey sure why not let me into this shitty internet".

I'll be fine without using the internet if it comes down to it, at that point it'd be a liability. Dinosaurs think they can control the internet which is a hilarious proposition in the first place.

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[–] TheGuyTM3@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you need your id to access internet: not use it anymore, selfhosting go brrr

If you need your id for all content-sharing websites like social media or microblogging: return back to good ol webrings and static websites. Can't kill the web on its core principles. No algorithms, pure passion and creativity.

[–] Metz@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We should really start concentrating more on decentralization.

Take Freifunk as example and similar projects.

What we need is a user-run private alternative to the internet. Wireless mesh networks are a very interesting step in that direction.

As long the infrastructure is owned by the government and companies, we will never be really free.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 weeks ago

I guess I'll start pirating things like local news, weather forecasts, and garbage pickup schedules.

In the meantime, I'll continue to self-host what I can, de-couple from online services, and find alternatives to get information from.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

Continue to not give it, what do you mean?

[–] Widdershins@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

I'll start by disabling Javascript and see how far that gets me

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 weeks ago

Not much changes. This will affect the commercial web, but I consider that the commercial web’s polish to be not really worth the privacy invasion before this. All the small web/fediverse/indie web/open source/Free/gemini/gopher/irc/ whatever alternative stuff is plenty to keep me happy, despite always being clunkier. It’s good enough.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly, back off. The more tech literate I get, the less tech I want in my life.

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
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[–] Rom@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I am going to go on the internet and tell lies about my identity

[–] InternetLefty@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago

I will just work around it. Unless they overhaul some very low level networking stuff, it will be hard to keep us from sites like hexbear

[–] Luci@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago

I've been planing on going outside, this might just be the kick I need

[–] Mike_Hunt@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago

and make sure it's a foreign fake so that the system is unable to detect the security features that fakes usually don't have

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 weeks ago

As online spaces start to demand I dox myself, I will remove myself from those online spaces (see: Reddit). If that means I ultimately leave the internet as a whole, then so be it.

I lived great before the Internet, I'll live just as great after it's gone.

[–] banazir@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I would like to think I would just stop using the Internet, or at least adopt a protocol like Gemini. How that would work exactly is hard to say, since the Internet is almost mandatory these days. Still, you have to be willing to inconvenience yourself to maintain at least some control on privacy and security online.

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[–] Resistai@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Pixel phone running Calyx, VPN, physical maps, second name, second phone number, leaving most platforms, trying to take my people with me

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[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Pretend it's 1995 before I had Internet access

[–] AnnaFrankfurter@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
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[–] yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 14 points 3 weeks ago

As of now I only visit a handful of privacy respecting sites on a regular basis. For all others I use web archive links rather than actually visiting the site.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Tor Network.
I2P.
Autonomi.

[–] Rhaxapopouetl@ttrpg.network 13 points 3 weeks ago

We will then need people like you to bring awareness about alternatives we will be able to shift to. That's probably how most of us ended up here

[–] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Hard to say.

Sounds like the alternatives are to suck it up, leave the country for somewhere that isn't the case yet, stop using the internet...

There definitely is a line where requiring nonsense is more effort than it is worth. That line has already definitely been crossed by "news media". The quality of articles and interviews is so abysmal, that any hear say you get over three rebounds over social media is still somehow equal to the original bad source.

Social media is on the edge. I don't expect to have a serious discussion on facebook or twitter, that's why I don't go there. If it's easier to hang out in a bar near a library to hope someone worth talking to walks in or something like that. That will be the thing to do.

And also, that line will probably just never be actually crossed for internet platforms like amazon or alibaba. Shipping and ordering things online is absurdly convenient compared to go to physical locations and them needing to have the thing stocked, etc..

Most of (open source) software is already built in a way that could be taken offline completely. Internet is just a fast and easy delivery mechanism, but carrying USB sticks is extremely viable for getting code from A to B

And for entertainment, I can honestly just go back to reading books. It's not the total information super highway, but it would be something.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Tor (with bridges enabled) intensifies

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Self host even more.. Use Gemini even more

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

The commercial web that I use that might require ID would be for payment processing etc. My bank knows how old I am. I can and will pay bills directly through my bank instead of using their portal. Or they can explain to me in writing why they don't want to take my payment. Just about everything else is optional.

[–] sifr@retrolemmy.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

I don't use any "big brother" services. At work, it's a different story, I guess.

I wish that the internet was removed from every day reality. Or at least I wish it wasn't so invasive and obligatory.

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