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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)

A police force has agreed to remove all Pride rainbows and transgender livery from its vehicles following a landmark High Court ruling.

Northumbria Police has also told its officers and staff they cannot attend a Gay Pride march in uniform this weekend, in a move that could set a precedent for other forces.

Northumbria was taken to court by a gender-critical lesbian who said it was wrong for officers to take part in events that promoted gender ideology.

The move comes after Linzi Smith, 34, a gender-critical lesbian from Newcastle, brought a case against Northumbria Constabulary, arguing that it had been wrong to allow uniformed officers to actively participate in an event that promoted gender ideology and was supported by transgender activists.

In his ruling, the judge, Mr Justice Linden, said it was important that police forces were not perceived as taking sides in contentious social debates.

Ffs. Police officers want to support a gay pride event, and a Lesbian woman became so offended by that she raised a court case against them. One that I cannot believe was upheld.

And as for the judge saying police attending means they're "choosing sides"... fucking hell. It's a Pride event. The "sides" are the LGBT community and those that hate them. It is an offence under the Equality Act 2010 to discriminate against LGBT people, so the police very much should be on one side, and they broadly were until TERFs started throwing their toys out of the pram.

Why are TERFs so emboldened here?

Imagine telling someone this a few decades ago:

"Yeah the police want to support a LGBT pride event and..."

"Wait they what? They want to support it? Not shut it down?"

"...yeah, support and attend. Anyway the court ruled against it."

"Lobbying and moral panic from anti-LGBT clergymen, I suppose?"

"Nah, a small group of lesbians."

You can't make this shit up. Imagine hating trans people so much that you're willing to turn against the whole LGBT Pride movement, while being in a same sex relationship. The mind reels.

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[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

From the article:

The move comes after Linzi Smith, 34, a gender-critical lesbian from Newcastle, brought a case against Northumbria Constabulary, arguing that it had been wrong to allow uniformed officers to actively participate in an event that promoted gender ideology and was supported by transgender activists.

From the BBC:

People who filled out the 2021 census in England and Wales were asked: "Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?" According to the ONS, 262,000 people - around 0.5% of the population - answered "no".

The ONS states that there are 60,238,000 total people in England and Wales.

Gender critical people, almost always cis women, can go to hell. They go out of their way to try (and lately succeed) to suppress any support for trans people and to exclude trans women from any space that is oriented for women. They fear monger, calling us perverts and degenerates that want to prey on poor, defenseless, innocent women.

Anyone who advocates for the disenfranchisement of trans people is an objectively shit person. We just want to live our lives and not be singled out for discrimination.

[–] rah@hilariouschaos.com 1 points 6 days ago

poor, defenseless, innocent women

Not doing yourself any favours with this kind of sarcastic comment.

Anyone who advocates for the disenfranchisement of trans people

I've never seen anybody argue that trans people should be denied the right to vote. Including in this article.

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[–] blueamigafan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

It's honestly getting depressing here in the UK the vast majority of people are good honest open minded people, but for some reason single bigoted people keep being allowed to make the place worse in the name of 'free speech' the results going to be the police staying away to be impartial and a bunch of reform voting trogladites causing trouble in the name of free speech.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Never mind the comments here on Lemmy, but you really need a hazmat suit to enter the comments on that article. Over 1400 of them, each somehow a different type of phobic. Living up to the nickname "TERF Island".

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 16 points 1 week ago

This is the Torygraph, don't read the comments unless you want to do psyc damage to yourself.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

nothing pride related should be near anything pig related. pigs are not and have never been friends to lgbtq people. they’re literally the arm the state uses to brutalize them for asking for equal rights.

while its a brutal reality why they’re removing their fake support of pride from their vehicles, its the same reality as before except now they’re not pretending to care. this is better because it doesnt give the naive an illusion or boot lickers an argument

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 3 points 1 week ago

In the past, yes, certainly. And I'm of the view ACAB. However, the Equality Act passed years ago, LGBTQ people are legally not to be discriminated against. The police showing support is therefore a good thing. It solidifies their commitment to uphold this law and treat LGBTQ people as equals in a country that still has a discrimination problem amongst the populace. It reminds both bigots and police officers which side police forces are now on and that there will be consequences for acts of discrimination.

To push them away will not help the cause.

These rights took decades, many people fighting tirelessly, and sadly many deaths and injuries to achieve. Why would you want to throw all that away? Just because you dislike cops? They're finally on the right side with this. Yes, they're twats for a myriad of reasons, but in this regard they're in the right. This is very important support to have, because there are people in society who are doing what they can to overturn this progress. The cops being on side helps prevent that.

Also, remember, that just because something is illegal doesn't mean that law will be enforced. Police forces have previously chosen to decriminalise things like personal amounts of cannabis by just refusing to bother enforcing it. It's still illegal but if no cop arrests you, is it really? They could do the same with regard to the Equality Act if they choose, decriminalising discrimination again. It's harder for them to justify doing that if their vans are covered in Pride livery. It's harder for individual officers to tolerate discrimination if they have a personal positive view of LGBTQ people.

This isn't America, Peelian principles are still at least vaguely adhered to. Community policing is still a thing here.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m not sure it was the wisest idea to put the rainbows on the vehicles in the first place. Is someone panicking, with visual or cognitive impairment, at night, going to instantly recognise it?

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I've seen loads of police vans like this. It's only part of the van and they're just as recognisable as before IMO.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today -2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

A sticker isn't going to hide a full on cop car. Like imagine you're in an emergency, you see a black and white car that has all the markings of a cop car, but it has a rainbow sticker, are you going to ignore it because of a 2x3 sticker?

Your point is stupid and invalid.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, seeing as police vehicles aren’t black and white…..

And if you took a look at the picture, it replaces the battenberg on the back half of the van, with a logo that highlights the letters BT, so it looks a bit like a telecoms van.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Police vehicles are almost exclusively black and white.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They are almost exclusively white or silver, with blue and yellow battenberg on each side, and red and yellow warning chevron on the back. The high-conspicuity police livery was developed by the police R&D labs in the 1990s and became standard across Britain from around 2004.

I can’t think of a force that used black and white rather than light blue and white. Maybe there were some long ago.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In the US, they are almost all black and white, occasionally with green for sheriffs and highway patrol.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This is the unitedkingdom community

Something about stupid and invalid points?

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 0 points 5 days ago

So you already have color on your police cars, but a small rainbow sticker makes them unrecognizable? I don't think you're making the point you think you are.

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