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[–] barkingspiders@infosec.pub 174 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Just read his Address at Madison Square Garden, New York City, October 31, 1936. The whole thing still feels very relevant and is a worthwhile (and not too long) read. The quote that stuck with me today was:

We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

We could use another FDR I think

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 65 points 5 days ago (6 children)

If we got another FDR, I think I would have a heart attack from joy. Someone who will fucking fight for us. Jesus the bar is so low at this point.

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

FDR was a member of the ruling class (aristocracy really) and did those things because of a very real fear of socialist revolution given the relatively recent Russian revolution and the ongoing Great Depression.

If we want capitalists to give some ground to working class standard of living, it will be because they are afraid of losing the whole game

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 4 days ago

I used to want them to give some ground. Now I want us to take it. It's become absolutely clear that they don't just beat us down for advantage, they hate us and want us dead or suffering.

We have the power, but they have us using it to fight each-others. It's time for the people to unify and use our power to tell the wealthy what the new rules are going to be.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We could use another FDR I think

It would have to be someone who might be wealthy enough not to care about where to get more campaign funding, but moral enough not to be greedy and silver-spooned.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It wasnt morality that made an oligarch promote social democracy. People forget FDR's last name was Roosevelt.

He'd watched his predecessor send in the tanks to raze a camp of protesters infront of the capitol, and in the previous 20 years saw the Russian Revolution, a failed revolution in Germany, and being old-money, had a broader perspective on keeping his class on top than the short-sighted new money.

FDR wasnt embracing socialism, he was buying guillotine insurance to save capitalism.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A lot of people are dismissive of Roosevelt simply because he's old money. Socialists dream that he should have gone further left. If he didn't genuinely cared, business leaders would not have tried to coup him. I read somewhere that someone overheard a rich woman call FDR a class traitor. The Bretton Woods Agreement which he had drawn up did not invite any businesses for opinions. And it's not groundbreaking to say that FDR wasn't fully bringing America into socialism. All that shows FDR has only gone as far left as anyone could accept at the time.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 days ago

His family were also drug lords.

This wikipedia link is about his maternal grandfather.

FDR did great things in office. He was also acting in self-interest.

In another universe, Henry Wallace wasn’t replaced by Truman as VP and thus Wallace became president upon FDRs death. That would have made a massive difference in our history.

Anyhow, for the edification of all…

love me some opium!

[–] FriskyDingo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My hope is for pritzker.

He's be the perfect class traitor, but sadly, I don't think he has enough dog in him to be what we need

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 89 points 5 days ago (2 children)

he won four times. FOUR! they made a rule that you cant win more than twice because he never would have lost!

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Some say he would still be president to this day without that rule.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Roosevelt's bones for prez 2027!

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

I mean you could do worse, clearly.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You do realize he died during his fourth term right

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

he still could win a fifth term!

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 43 points 4 days ago

But you don't understand, in 1992 the Democrats won the Presidency with like 40% of the vote on a message of "Republican but with less bigotry," which proves that Americans love their basic economic message of "fuck you get your own food, shelter, and medical care!"

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Mamdani pulled off a surprise victory less than 30 days ago and he's already gaining support.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 58 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Watching Mamdani interview Trump voters in NYC really woke me. Tired of all the hateful takes on these people. They want politicians to listen and act and thought Trump would do that. No, they weren't paying attention the first go-round, but Trump got their emotions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FcVCYqQNs

If you really want to understand Trump voters, and what we need to do to get progressives in office, have a look:

https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about

True now as it was 8 years ago.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Yup. From the outside, it's been reasonably obvious since 2007: The current system isn't working, and the ones who offer to change things are the ones who will actually get the votes.

This became even more apparent post-covid: Biden offered a return to normalcy, while Trump wanted to "fix everything". You can say what you want about Trump (and I will probably agree with most of it), but he offered something else than the same old neolib system that has failed more and more people every year.

The problem with today's mainstream politicians is that one side tries to return to Obama era "middle ground" policies while the other side can be summed up by this shamelessly stolen comic:

A sensible politician who wants to win an election needs to understand that "the middle ground" no longer means not stepping on toes. The middle ground these days means shaking up the current system to provide basic necessities for those who have been ignored for decades. People turn fascist for the same reason people turn tankie; when you're starving and someone promises all the potatoes you can drink, of course that sounds better than the current situation.

I truly hope Mamdani or someone like him gets to appear as more than "ermagerd scary communist" to the right side, because I'm sure most of those who would insta-hate "The left" actually can get behind a lot of the actual policies once they get beyond the politics.

I'm all for rainbow-rights, eco-friendly living, and diversity, but most peoples priorities are a lot more immediate: putting food in the table. Let's all hope the DNC realizes this.

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[–] greenskye@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago

Tired of all the hateful takes on these people. They want politicians to listen and act and thought Trump would do that. No, they weren't paying attention the first go-round, but Trump got their emotions.

Sure, I got that the first go around. It was the second time that cemented things for me. Nobody was ignorant of who and what Trump was in 2024. Those are the people I think are hateful bigots willing to burn down the entire country if only it'll take a few undesirables out with them.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 32 points 5 days ago (3 children)

honestly i had no idea that FDR was a Muslim.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Dude get this, a rightwing youtuber I follow that uncritically spouts rightwing vomit that I dutifully swallow and regurgitate for other incel babies told me the indigenous people of the US are secretly muslim!

This got me scared enough that I decided to just unquestionably believe it and now I am hiding in my lifted pickup watching Dirty Jobs on repeat to try to calm down, what should I do Grok?

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Hey now, I liked Dirty jobs when I was a kid. Is Mike Rowe a bad guy?

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

The TV star who jerks off business owners every chance he gets and says worker safety should be third priority is a bad guy.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

grok: sounds like you got woke in your blood, you should do meth about it

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

You already know what you must do, Alpha king. You must cuck and simp for your rulers

[–] oyo@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

A communist Muslim. You know, that famous combination.

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[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But hear me out, let's just give the current racist fascists a chance first.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (21 children)
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[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If democrats are successful and get consistently elected, then that means they have to actually do something and run on a platform beyond “I’m not Republican” to not get primaried.

Establishment Dems hate success and progress. Progressives are doing good.

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[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago

“Oh, so you’re here to take my picture. Should I smile or someth–“

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Remember how FDR got reelected so many times they amended the constitution after he died to keep presidents to two terms?

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[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Damnit, I've been saying constructed opposition. I had the phrase wrong!

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[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It really hurts the money politicians make in political contributions and perks.

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[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Democratic leaders are largely useless, if not outright cowards, cheats, and/or frauds*

There, FTFY.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

If FDR were alive today, Richie Torries would make it his life's goal to tip him out of his wheelchair.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Am Democrat

Am not terrified

All criticisms of said Democrat I have seen are of his opinion on Israel, which also differ from the example here.

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