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Sarah J. Frick, Deborah Fletcher, Austin C. Smith, Pirate and chill: The effect of netflix on illegal streaming, Journal of Economic Behavior & Organization, Volume 209, 2023, Pages 334-347, ISSN 0167-2681, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jebo.2023.03.013. (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167268123000793) Abstract: Over 188 million people in the United States use a subscription video streaming service, yet digital piracy remains prevalent and costs the U.S. economy an estimated $29.2 billion annually. This paper investigates the relationship between a movie's availability on Netflix, the largest video subscription service, and intent to illegally stream the movie. We leverage a contract dispute that caused Epix (a cable network company) to move all its movies from Netflix to Hulu, representing a substantial decrease in the legal streaming availability of these movies. Using a difference-in-differences design, we find that reducing legal streaming access via the removal of Epix movies from Netflix results in a 20% increase in piracy intent relative to movies that remained on Netflix, as measured by Google search volume. This study contributes to the understanding of the substitution between legal streaming services and movie piracy and has implications for content owners deciding what platform to offer their movie on. Keywords: Piracy; Online streaming; Digital goods; Netflix; Google searches

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[–] Mordikan@kbin.earth 49 points 4 days ago (2 children)

digital piracy remains prevalent and costs the U.S. economy an estimated $29.2 billion annually

That's based on the false assumption that if pirated materials weren't available, people would then be forced to buy them. That's not true, they just don't buy them. If someone has no intention to spend money your content, you aren't losing anything when they find it for free.

I just end up feeling like a totally played dumbfuvk asshole every time I spend money on media. I'm just done at this point.

Even if i trust the people I'm buying from, i have no way to trust whoever their next owners are.

You get what you can take. Nothing more.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 17 points 4 days ago

Their number also makes no sense if you look at the previous figure "Over 188 million people in the United States use a subscription video streaming service". Average of 10 bucks a month makes 1.8 billion revenue per month, which means the bring in roughly 21.6 billion per year in revenue.... Are they suggesting that MORE people choose piracy over streaming services? That feels like a ludicrous claim. More likely they are estimating the number of "illegal downloads" and assigning the price to buy a digital copy instead... Like if piracy was impossible the people that do it would be buying digital copies instead of signing up for streaming services.

And that is all before you look at your point, that a vast majority of the "illegal downloads" they are likely claiming would have never been sales, they would have just been people that never consumed their media.

[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've always hated that quote.

Piracy has never been stealing, it's copyright infringement.

[–] NotProLemmy@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago

As I understand, stealing implies denying someone use to their property, whereas piracy is a copy and is copyright infringement.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 4 days ago

“You would think piracy is coming back because the streaming experience is shit, but that’s not it”

Proceeds to spend 14 minutes telling us how it’s ultimately because the streaming experience is shit

[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Don't call it a comeback
I been here for years

[–] RhondaSandTits@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Seeding to peers
Putting streamers in fear

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

But it's not all about you and your experience 😅

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

and costs the U.S. economy an estimated $29.2 billion annually

does it though?

[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 7 points 4 days ago

Can't see how it can, it's not like if that money isn't spent on entertainment then it's just lost, it's just spent on other goods and services or put in savings that the banks loan out to other people to generate economic activity. Unless people are literally burning the money or exclusively spending it on foreign goods and services it's not costing the economy per se.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That assumes that everyone who pirates would become subscribers if they weren't pirating. In reality, many people still wouldn't pay if they couldn't pirate what they want. Others may sign up for a month, binge watch what they want, then cancel for the rest of the year.

[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 4 points 4 days ago

Even if they would otherwise have subscribed, that money will be spent elsewhere in the economy, its potential revenue the streaming companies couldn't secure, it's not a loss to the economy unless it's a foreign user.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 4 days ago

Parasites got a wild imagination

im not pirating im testing the durability of bits and bytes

[–] dreary8154@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

He makes great videos BTW