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[–] halfwaythere@lemmy.world 97 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Probably not a well received opinion but the amount of China promoting drivel that goes on here in lemmy is astounding.

[–] PullUpCircuit@iusearchlinux.fyi 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Which is the propaganda? The posts touting Chinese achievements in tech, or the posts saying to beware of the Chinese milestones?

Both.

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[–] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago

Eh, I've seen all these same headlines on Hacker News. China is a rapidly developing country with a lot more people, manufacturing, advancements, and news than many other countries so it makes sense that there would be a lot of news coming out of it.

I just visited China for the first time during a business trip a few weeks ago and as an American I was impressed. The US media tries so hard to present only the negative that a lot of Americans aren't even aware of all the achievements they've accomplished.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Agree. Tankies are on the loose, and not just on their own servers

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[–] CyberDine@lemmy.world 46 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Like most Chinese products I wouldn't trust their quality or their customer support, and would expect the thing to spy on me 24/7.

You do realise that anything made in the USA or even sold to be used in the western world has the CIA sucking it all up.

Like sure China are gonna spy but let’s not pretend the USA, UK, Australia, and Israel ain’t spying on us all.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So, basically no different than we already have...

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Ora Funky Cat had an issue where it would not terminate charging consistently before unlocking the charging cable, leading to customers being greeted by a loud bang when disconnecting the cable.

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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 32 points 10 months ago (10 children)

I want a small, fun roadster. Or a hot hatch. Or a sport wagon. And I didn't see one listed.

[–] Kanzar@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

An e-civic would be phenomenal...

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[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I want a car without spyware.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Even American cars have spyware. Not sure what your choice is there. At this point, I'll settle for cars with physical buttons for climate and other commonly used controls.

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even American cats have spyware.

And they have since the 1960's: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty

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[–] Xatix@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I‘m just waiting on the release of the german X-Bus. A modular 600kg vehicle that counts as a quad and can be used as a bus/transporter/pickup/camper and recharges 30-50km of range a day through solar energy on the roof for under 20k€ is exactly what I want from an EV. I don’t need a 50k price tag with shiny smart features.

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've just been looking at those. I can't help but think of the old adage, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Whatever kind of EV you might want, chances are China has it."

proceeds to describe a car that's slower and has less range than my e-bike

Kinda curious what the other options are, I got hit with a paywall.

I want an Aptera. Any solar cars available in China? A Telo would be sweet but they're super early on.

[–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

I've recently driven a brand new 2023/2024 Maxus T90EV. It had 15 miles on the clock when I drove it. These are the problems I experienced with it and these aren't even touching on my preferences like I thought the seats were uncomfortable, or that regenerative braking is quite aggressive and can't be changed. So I doubt China EVs are going to take over, not in 2024 at least.

  • Auto lights didn't work
  • Auto wipers didn't work
  • Intermittent wipers didn't work
  • Rear view camera was really poor quality
  • Infotainment system crashed, where I had to walk away from the vehicle with it still in its crashed state. At some point it finally turned off and worked again on the next drive
  • Bluetooth audio kept crashing
  • Infotainment system is really basic
  • Shudders when driving on the factory set speed limiter
  • No driving aids like cruise control or driver defined speed limiter
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[–] cloudless@feddit.uk 25 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I want the kind of EV that's made in Japan.

[–] rndll@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A Gundam then. That will be $725M for the base model without Beam Saber and shield. Would you like to pay in cash or card?

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[–] Zorque@kbin.social 12 points 10 months ago

Mmm... mag lev...

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Do they have an electric truck that isn't the size of a small house?

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 10 months ago

Straight up if I could get an electric Kei truck I'd be over the moon

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)
[–] Cylusthevirus@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well ... then 1.5k for the good battery and other options and like ... another 5k for shipping related expenses. That blew my mind how expensive it was to import.

And you get a truck 3 dudes can pull backwards with a top speed of like 36mph. It's basically a very robust power wheels.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The amount of Chinese propaganda around EVs is astounding

[–] Inui@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The Atlantic is an American magazine. Its an opinion piece by a guy who runs another car review and discussion website that is full of articles about non-Chinese cars. The person who posted it has posted a variety of articles about tech from all over the world, including Tesla. Like I asked another user, what part is propaganda? Are Chinese people just never allowed to speak positively about anything they do? Because that's the implication of these off-topic posts.

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[–] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

"Best"?

[X] Doubt

[–] kawa@reddeet.com 17 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Another day, another CCP shill post. Tomorrow you'll tell us about their beautiful human rights handling I hope.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This just isn't a CCP shill post. Western and Korean companies simply refuse to sell an EV that isn't a luxury car, and Japanese companies seem to be trying to get out of making EVs period. The only one I could name, Chevy Bolt, got the axe last year.

Like, I look like an American Nationalist next to most Lemmy users (you could say I am in a way, but not in the conventional right-wing flag waver way.) But BYD coming to America would fill a need, even if the cars actually suck. Teslas suck, but they still sell, and there are alternatives to Tesla.

[–] Inui@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It's frankly bordering on racism that any amount of positive words for Chinese people or their accomplishments gets you labeled a "CCP shill". Is every Chinese friend I made in uni a shill for having nice thoughts about their previous school and hometown?

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[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

I want a nice cheap basic car without all the nonsense, and 250 miles of range plus battery swap. Neta V fits the bill

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I went to one of the links and some of their cars had a 404 error, so I’m guessing that’s what their repairability and warranty would be like in the states.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would like an electric 2004 Dodge Neon...

Does China have that? Not like in build quality, I know they're trash, just that exact car.

[–] max@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Though not Chinese, there are companies nowadays offering conversion kits for older, ICE cars. Electric Twingo, here I come!

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[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I want a free one that prints money.

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[–] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

As a professional car reviewer, I couldn’t travel to test-drive interesting cars during the early pandemic, so I did the next best thing: went to the website Alibaba, and bought a Changli. After I paid $2,000 for shipping and customs, the car arrived at my doorstep months later in a massive cardboard box.

But if you’re hoping that you might be able to buy these cars like you do so many other Chinese-made gadgets, keep dreaming.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They also have fields of decaying vehicles that were built solely to take advantage of the subsidies

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[–] Hypx@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's the result of massive subsidies. When they stop, this market will crash like a house of cards.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Those bastards, subsidizing emissions reducing technologies.

[–] Hypx@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not really. It's mainly about gaining market dominance on a technology they think is the future. They'll build them right next to the massive coal plant alongside a million other things they're subsidizing.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Even if its not some altruistic reasons, they still are literally subsidizing this emissions reducing technology.

Tho they are also going pretty ham on subsidizing renewable energy too.

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[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You could say the same thing about fossil fuels in the USA...

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

BYD would eat the market alive if they sold their EVs here solely on price.

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[–] blazera@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I want a top speed of 50, 100 mile range, single seater, and a price tag to match

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