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[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 31 points 1 day ago

Shakira, Shakira!

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The door:

The other door:

Me:

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

See, this is what the internet was made for

Her hips don’t lie but they tax cheat

[–] Novamdomum@fedia.io 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hey Shakira on the left which door would Shakira on the right say leads to freedom?

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You didn't specify whose left, we're doomed

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The one on the left doesn't lie.

But i never understand this riddle or why the solution-question works. Me no smart.

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Other than diagramming, the simple answer is that by asking what the other would say, you're basically asking one to ask the other.

Because the answer is "passing through" both when you ask, it's negated once (by the one liar), regardless of who is "answering" first.

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

That's a nice intuitive explanation!

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Let's say left door lies and right door tells the truth. Right door leads out.

Left door would lie and say "right door would tell you I am the door that leads out"

Right door would tell the truth, and say "left door would say LEFT door leads to freedom". Since left door does not lead to freedom, left door would lie and say that left door is the correct one.

No matter which door you ask, they will have the same answer.

So you would choose the opposite door of whichever one they say.

[–] Sc00ter@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

If youre mathematically inclined, think the correct door is +1 and the incorrect door is -1. The one who tells the truth is +1, and the one who lies is -1. When you look at them, all you see is absolute value of 1, and you dont know if its positive or negative. By asking the question to 1 of them about how the other would answer, youre now ensuring you have 1 truth and 1 lie. A +1 and a -1. Now your question is multiplying -1 and +1, and it doesnt matter if you +1 x -1 or -1 x +1 because transitive property, you always get -1... or the door that is incorrect.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So you have to ask Shakera the right question? What would the other door say leads to freedom?

[–] CreatingMachines@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, this...allows you to find the right door with a single question?

[–] Novamdomum@fedia.io 2 points 19 hours ago

Yes, and you then do the opposite of what whichever Shakira you asked says.

[–] Sunschein@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I knew it was too good to be true when she said she was starting to feel me. No es perfecto 😣

[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She wasn't avoiding them. It was her then husband, Gerard Piqué. Spanish footballers are notorious tax convicts. She just decided that it wasn't worth the hassle to fight for it and just paid the penalty as she was literally in the middle of a divorce with him when the issue reached courts. If have had the time and emotional energy to fight the case, she would've proven her innocence. But when you are rich it is easier to just pay for the problem to go away.

[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Interesting. I didn't know that. So, just to clarify, her husband stopped her from paying her taxes?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No, they were dating then later married. She traveled to Spain during world tours, she wasn't even a Spanish citizen back then. The idea was that Piqué's lawyer is the one who set up the supposed companies that diverted money to tax havens. They were married, so they shared a lot of income and ventures. She didn't pay attention and thought that her responsibilities in Spain were covered, but got targeted. Things got worse when it turned out that Piqué was cheating on her, apparently was trying to seize part of her fortune, and ultimately abandoned her with a lot of paperwork hanging from her side of the divorce.

I mean, she is still a rich person, so I want her taxed to highest rate that is legally possible. But she also pays taxes in two other countries and in the two others got investigated and turns out she pays way more tax than she should. Why commit fraud in one country but not the others? The distinguishing factor is the power that Piqué had over her estate as her husband in a very misogynist country that still has feudal holdovers and is still a monarchy. You have no idea how bureaucratic Spanish tax law is.

In the end she is actually being responsible and taking up the penalty with grace. While there are other celebrities who have proven in court that the IRPF lies to collect penalties from people. Reading the court proceedings is really laughable, it reads like a fiction novella rather than a legal document.