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I run a small VPS host and rely on PayPal for payments, mainly because (a) most VPS customers pay that way if you aren't AWS or GoDaddy and (b) very good fraud protection. My prior venture had quite a bit of chargebacks from Stripe so it went PP-only also.

My dad told me I should "reduce the processing fees" and inaccurately cited that ChatGPT told him PayPal has 5% fees when it really has 3-3.5% fees (plus 49 cents). Yet he insisted 5% was the charge.

Yes, PayPal sucks but ChatGPT sucks even more. When I was a child he said Toontown would ruin my brain, yet LLMs are ruining his even more.

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[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 135 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Every boomer seems like that: "You shouldn't trust anyone without fact-checking."

30 years later: "Let's trust every shoe salesman and ChatGPT, they are my new friends."

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

A lot of people say "you can't trust anything you read/see/hear" not because they are actually skeptical of their sources, but because it's a thought-terminating cliche that allows them to continue disbelieving what they want to disbelieve and cherry pick what makes them feel vindicated or righteously angry.

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. It turns out almost everyone believes they're a skeptic, and everyone suffers from confirmation bias.

Except you and I. And any of you reading this. We know the truth, of course. Don't trust anyone that tells you otherwise.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Yes, of course. We are also the ONLY people who can safely do [unsafe thing] and anyone else doing it is a moron.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago

I agree with everything you said. And I get the tone at the end. There are certainly things I believe that are wrong. But while I obviously still have biases, I also have a crippling fear of telling someone something wrong. So generally I at the least won't say something to someone else unless I've triple confirmed it's correct.

Which is also how I know I believe things that are wrong, because I've looked into something before telling it to people and found it was wrong. I don't intentionally believe wrong things. But based on that I know there must still be some.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, if he cited inaccurate information it was because he didn't check it. Same as if he cited something he heard from a guy on the bus.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think there's some shared blame. Chatgpt existing and marketing itself as useful makes people believe it. If you have to double check everything it says, what is the point of using it in the first place? This isn't unsolicited information from someone you're chatting to that came up naturally and should be checked, this is something you have to specifically choose to use.

[–] coriza@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And Google throw it in your face and you have to be very careful about. For years when you Google something the first thing would be a snipped from a website, so if you Google "PayPal fee" it would show a snipped from a website mentioning a PayPal fee, but now the result in the same place and in the same style is a LLM response.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah it's definitely a good reason to just ditch google altogether now.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 71 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is that not what ChatGPT was made for? Industrial scale misinformation?

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think the intention was to legalize plagiarism under the guise of helping humanity. Only if corporations do it of course.

The intention was the same as it's always been since the dawn of industry - to reduce the number of humans involved in the means of production. Workers are pesky middle men who keep interfering with profits by asking for expensive luxuries like living wages and human rights.

Though I really don't think any techbro in their deepest ketamine hole actually imagined that the biggest leap in automation since the assembly line was going to start with artistic expression.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

and to make us plebes even dumber.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago (16 children)

LLMs are undoubtedly impressive tech that will get better with time. But to anyone singing their praises too emphatically I say ask it something on a topic you are an expert on; you’ll quickly see how fallible they currently are.

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Problem is a lack of expertise with most people. Most people I interact with are generally oblivious to most things, including their careers lol.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago

Tbh if they game get them to ask it about that, it fails spectacularly badly, even worse than in general. TV shows and movies it's a bit better on, probably because there are so many episode summaries and reviews online, but if you talk to it long enough and ask varied and specific enough information it'll fail there too.

They may not be an expert at something, but if they have a specific interest or hobby that'll probably work.

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[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

He didn't cite wrong information (only) because of ChatGPT, but because he lacks the instinct (or training, or knowledge) to verify the first result he either sees or likes.

If he had googled for the information and his first click was an article that was giving him the same false information, he would've probably insisted just the same.

LLMs sure make this worse, as much more information coming out of them is wrong, but the root cause is the same it's been before their prevalence. Coincidentally it's the reason misinformation campaigns work so well and are so easy.

Edit: removed distraction

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago

Chatgpt is unfortunately fully capable of generating false information without ever being given it.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago

This is happening to me more and more often. It's infuriating.

[–] isekaihero@ani.social 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I love AI... for entertainment. I use Crushon almost every day. I love chatbots. I can't wait to see chatbot functionality integrated into games. But I've never talked to ChatGPT. I would never trust a chatbot for anything important. I know it's not going to give me factual information.

I have a coworker to is constantly asking ChatGPT questions and shares its answers with the rest of us like we should care. Kids growing up with chatbots are so fucked. I didn't think it would be possible to be fucked worse than Millenials were, but here we are.

[–] applemao@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah there's no way younger people wont end up even dumber. Its frightening. And I'm not even old and I can see it. Thats bad.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ask it if PayPal has a 5% fee? Sounds like he might have been arguing about it and tried to fact check himself and chafgpt told him what he wanted to hear maybe?

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[–] vala@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Is you dad my boss?

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