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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 points 32 minutes ago

This was super common in the 1960s and 70s when hippies where the ones writing sci fi and the thought was that technological advancement would also come along with spiritual advancement to the point of supernatural powers. Star Wars, Dune, 2001: A Space Odyssey, and many others freely blend the supernatural with the technological. Sure it's not D&D magic with fireballs and shit but it's still magic. Further, if you want to look at a modern IP with this vibe look at World of Warcraft, where there are aliens from space with spaceships and shit with one of the most stereotypical fantasy settings you can imagine.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 55 minutes ago

In Attack on Titan, magic (titan powers) had historically an edge over humanity, but the story is in part about how Humanity's technology has advanced to almost surpass those magical powers and shift the power balance.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Absolutely, there are lots of examples, but the first that comes to mind is Warhammer 40k, they have super advanced technology and magic coexisting and sometimes intermingling.

[–] Talonflame@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 hours ago

Yes. It's worked very well in the recent Zelda games

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

Absolutely. Read the nightlord series, just skip through the first half of book one, it's the first thing the author ever wrote and could have used better editing for sure. High tech kicks in at book 3

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Yes.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35420518

The Starship’s Mage books do this.

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

-Arthur C. Clarke

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

MCU does a good job. Iron Man is supposed to be science based, and Thor is a Norse god.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I think a better example than Thor would be Dr. Strange. Thor is just an alien, and his people have advanced technology, not actually magic.

Dr. Strange literally uses magic magic.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

Yes. Do a time travel story and new tech will be seen as miraculous magic by those pesky Elizabethans.

[–] hotdogthud@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago
[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

We have high technology because we don’t have anything else to leverage.

I suspect a world with strong magic is liable to leverage that to the exclusion of technology.

A now-ended iseki story on Reddit’s HFY subreddit called “Wait, is this just GATE?” Asks the question of what would happen if a universe of only technology and no magic (ours) made contact with a universe of pretty much only magic and almost no technology beyond that found in the Middle Ages. It contains some tropes (used mainly as comedic relief or irony) and plenty of references to current magical-universe plot elements from games and novels, but is a surprisingly fresh and compelling examination of the cross-universe idea.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 19 points 12 hours ago

I apologize if this sounds flippant, but it's FICTION.

Literally ANYTHING works if its written well enough...

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

You know what, basically any SCP will have varying levels of scifi and fantasy tropes, or sometimes none at all. Bottom line with SCPs is that anything is possible.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/68872/dungeon-planet-the-healer-always-leaves-alive

Found that little gem a few weeks ago and I believe it fits your ask pretty well 1:1

Honestly almost as good as my other favorite the past few years, https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/63759/super-supportive, but the latter seems to be more active than the former.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 95 points 17 hours ago (3 children)
[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 53 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Dune as well.

Warhammer 40k

Yeah, there are a lot of examples out there.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Tbf, in Dune all the "magic-y" bits get "scientific" explanations. I suppose you could argue the same with Star Wars and midichlorians.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago

Most magic books have a magic system that seems to be backed up by sciencey like explanations for their universe.

I can only think of a few that don't, like Harry Potter.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 points 16 hours ago
[–] cattywampas@lemm.ee 28 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Wizards and spaceships? It'll never work.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Spelljammer was a late 80s cocaine-fueled fever dream.

[–] Libra@lemmy.ml 11 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

Star Wars doesn't really do 'super advanced technology'. Like they've got space ships and hyperdrive and laser swords and shit, but they don't treat it like high-tech stuff, they treat it like we treat cars and swords.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 1 points 26 minutes ago

People in 2025 don't really do 'super advanced technology'. Like they've got super powerful handheld computers on them at all times and all of human knowledge accessible at all times and planes and shit, but they don't treat it like high-tech stuff, they treat it like we treat carriages and books.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Any universe where they have super advanced tech they'll treat it like we treat cars, because cars are also super advanced tech, it's just a tech you see daily and are familiar. How do you expect characters in a super technologically advanced world to react? They see that every day, it's not news to them.

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 1 points 20 minutes ago

I think the point is that the tech doesn't materially change most starwars characters interactions from present day. It's not really scifi because the science / tech doesn't shape how the characters interact dramatically.

If you give the characters some real scifi-tech like put them inside computers, or have backup throwaway clone bodies, or jack them in to a hive mind, or give them time travel or alternate universes then the whole dramatic context of the character interactions has to change and the story has to be shaped by the technology to some degree. It'd likely be a bit more alien as our innate sense of constraints and jeopardy doesn't apply.

Only really the deathstar is anything different tech wise - it is only used once, and becomes more like a part of the maguffin.

The other fantastic dramatic features that starwars does use that are alien to us - precognition, mind control, reincarnation(sortof) - are magic rather than tech.

[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 22 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The whole design aesthetic of the Star Wars universe is a state of technological stagnation. They all have advanced technology, but it could be more advanced, however, for whatever reason, they haven’t bothered to make any but minor advancements in a very long time.

[–] cattywampas@lemm.ee 9 points 13 hours ago

The whole "used future" aesthetic is a big part of what gives Star Wars its vibe.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 points 12 hours ago

It's still high tech if it's vastly beyond our current technological ability.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 17 hours ago

How do you treat cars and swords.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Techomages from Babylon 5 come to mind.

[–] slingstone@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

"I do think there are some things we don't understand. If we'd be back in time a thousand years, trying to explain this place to people, they could only accept it in terms of magic."

"Then perhaps it is magic. The magic of the human heart, focused and made manifest by technology. Every day you here create greater miracles than a burning bush."

And then...

"We are dreamers, shapers, singers, and makers. We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, crystal and scanner, holographic demons and invocations of equations. These are the tools we employ and we know many things."

I love B5 so much.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago

I think you inevitably face the whole “magic IS advanced technology” thing. If you actually want them to be different things, you have to have some answer to this.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 30 points 16 hours ago

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

-Arthur C Clarke

[–] Notamoosen@lemmy.zip 35 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I think the MCU has done a good job with it, but I'd like to see a non-superhero version of it.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

Star Wars

In the 'advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic' there is John Carter, Dune and a ton of other movies where the tech seems like magic.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It did in Final Fantasy VI with its Magitek

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 13 points 17 hours ago

Most Final Fantasy games mix sci-fi and magic. Only the specifics of the lore around how it works changes with each FF universe.

[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 18 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago

Super advanced technology is magic. Hell, regular advanced technology is magic. Just run with it.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Artemis Fowl is a classic example of this. The fantasy world of fairies relies on super advanced technology in their world.

[–] Bhaelfur@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

The second Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson gets close. It's a setting where magic meets wild west tech, including guns, cars, and electricity.

I've heard that his next trilogy in the setting will have more of an 1980s tech level.

A couple of Sanderson's short stories touch on space ships, computers, and magic.

EDIT: I didn't answer the question. Yes, I think it can work. I'm also a huge fan of Brian McClellan's Powder Mage books. This mixes musket level tech and industrialization with magic.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The Sunlit Man is even more tech combined with magic. Read that one yet?

What other books do you like in that genre? I loved Mistborn/Cosmere realm and Powder Mage series.

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago

The Sunlit Man was so good. I love books that have fast pacing right from the start, and trying to figure out how the world worked was so much fun.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Why wouldn't it work? Stories usually fail because the plot is bad or because they're badly told, and it's not that hard to maintain verisimilitude just because seemingly opposite ideas like magic and advanced technology are combined - just communicate what your magic and technology can and cannot do in broad strokes and stick to it, and avoid asspulls that make no sense and/or undermine the character beats you're showing. But you get exactly the same issues in a story with only magic or only advanced technology.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 8 points 17 hours ago

There's a ton of examples, so yeah.

My home brew ttrpg setting is exactly that

[–] half@lemy.lol 5 points 16 hours ago

Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

[–] Bad_Engineering@fedia.io 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The black ocean series does a good job if blending the two together. But it sort of sets them in opposition to each other. Interstellar travel is made possible on futuristic spaceships by using magic to plunge the ship partially into another dimension, shortening the relative distance between stars. But unless the it is specially shielded against it, magic ruins and destroys technology.

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[–] moonlight@fedia.io 5 points 16 hours ago

Definitely, although I think it's most interesting if the advanced technology is based on the magic.

Like, let's say there is a world where there are magic plants that can heal you, people who can magically scry nearby locations if they meditate deeply, and stones that levitate in the moonlight.

And there's an evil empire that exploits the fuck out of this by industrially farming the plants to create a highly concentrated serum, removing people's brains and hooking them up to computers for magical sensing abilities, and attaching fragments of moon rocks to the levitating stones to create antigravity. Creating invulnerable flying supersoldiers with impossibly good radar powered by brain backpacks.

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Shadowrun kind of does the same. It's not really super-advanced, since it's cyberpunk, but it's cyberpunk with magic. And it's my favorite setting, it's such a cool idea.

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