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The original was posted on /r/ukrainianconflict by /u/Mil_in_ua on 2025-05-18 08:46:56+00:00.

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[–] xyro@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Not sure what are the reasons to set up a new plant to produce outdated missiles that the Americans are about to discontinue production ?

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Still in heavy use in Ukraine when they can get ammo. And still very effective. USA won't release their latest designs for production in Europe or use in Ukraine.

[–] xyro@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Agreed, so why not built as advanced with European technology instead of old American tech ?

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This is one of the few weapons systems that Europeans don't have a decent analogue for. This is likely their short term plan while they develop something similar.

Perun did a decent overview of the capabilities that Europe has in house vs those that they must rely on the US for if you are interested in more details.

[–] xyro@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Make more sense thanks ! I'll take a look at the overview !

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago

I imagine there's also an element of "what can we start building right now," as opposed to waiting a couple of years for R&D before setting up the production lines. A weapon system can be the most wonderful and powerful thing on paper but if you're under attack you can't deploy a piece of paper.

It's also nice that it turns out old American tech is perfectly capable of dominating Russia's current tech.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Quantity is also important. We can't just rely on a few high-tech systems, we need volumes of simpler equipment as well. These systems are good candidates for stuff we can mass produce right now.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago

Quantity matters. This war has proven the Europe and the US (either separately or together) has a lot of advanced tech -but in a real war we would by way behind because we can't make it fast enough. Newer might be better, but realistically the issues with the patriot is lack of quantity and high prices, not lack of advancement and for the most part that isn't expected to change fast. What war in the near future needs is the ability to shoot down lots of cheap drones.