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In password security, the longer the better. With a password manager, using more than 24 characters is simple. Unless, of course, the secure password is not accepted due to its length. (In this case, through STOVE.)

Possibly indicating cleartext storage of a limited field (which is an absolute no-go), or suboptimal or lacking security practices.

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[–] fluckx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (7 children)

You think that's infuriating? Imagine having an ISP that wants you to pick a password of max 8 characters.

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

That was the insurance corp my career came bundled with for a decade until recently.

Sunlife. Finally very slowly replacing their garbage old website.

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YES, it pisses me off so much. Though I do kind see for some things having some upper limit of 256 for certain services. But I may be wrong in thinking that.

For example I want a secure bank password but I only need it so long. Mainly because unlike my E2EE service if they are servered a warrant or hacked through another service all my data is there. Basically I can only do so much.

[–] mr_satan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Most likely it's just a validation not related to actual storage of the information.
It's something that can happen automagically when using a library. I wouldn't be too surprised if this length limitation is just a default of whatever registration solution they are using.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

There's a joke in there somewhere.

My best experience... They allowed me to set a 100 characters password, but then changed the limits a year later, so that you couldn't even login anymore.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There was a game launcher for a popular game that required a minimum of 8 characters but only used the first 8 characters and it wasn't case sensitive. So something like PassWord12345!? could be entered when changing the password, but you could sign in with any of the following:

  • password1234
  • PassWord123499(#$%
  • Password12345!?
  • passWord12345!
  • pASSword12345?!
  • PassWord123499(#$%
  • password

I haven't logged in for years so I'm not sure if it is still working that way.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like they're using bcrypt. Feeding more than 24 utf8 characters into bcrypt won't do anything useful. You can permit longer passwords (many sites do) but they'd be providing a false sense of security.

Bcrypt is still secure enough and 24 characters are fine as long as they're randomly generated by your password manager.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Do you have a source for the 24?

I can find a 72 byte limit. (Wikipedia, article) That's three times as many [ascii] utf8 characters I could use.

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[–] Undaunted@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It can also be just a randomly chosen limit. I work as a software engineer on a custom management software for a big client. For whatever reason until recently, the limit for email addresses in the master data was 50 character. Why? No clue but someone had decided that randomly in the past. Now it was increased to 100. Why again? According to RFC 5321 a limit of 254 would be the most sensible one. But the people who come up with those requirements just don't care. They decided it to be 100 from now on for no apparent reason.

Then we have many input fields, that have a limit of 255 character. Why not 256? Why such a weird number in general? The people who use this software in production are most likely not the ones who usually think in powers of two. So why not make it 250 or 300 oder whatever?

Sometimes those limits are just arbitrary with no technical or logical reason to back them up. Which doesn't make it less stupid mind you.

[–] troed@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

a limit of 255 character. Why not 256? Why such a weird number in general?

255 chars + '\0' = 256

Not weird at all.

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[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey at least it told you there maximum length, i signed up paramount+ last night and it only said 42 characters was too long.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Maybe they allow more characters during the day /s

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

Used to run into this more. Some legacy systems imposed password limits that seem archaic by modern standards. The authentication system was just supporting systems from before newer standards were created.

I think some of those compatibility layers outlived the systems they needed to be compatible with. The people that knew the system retired ages ago and the documentation was lost 3 or 4 "documentation system" changes ago.

Anyway, those have no place on the modern web.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 day ago

I also hate these kind of websites.

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