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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 hours ago

As an environmental regulator in America I know first hand how company owners tend to respect nothing but their own wealth and standing. I write and enforce administrative orders and penalties to company presidents and CEOs. They'll throw the world under the bus before taking reaponsibility.

But during covid a lot of contracts and orders were digitally signed and not given wet signatures.

So a lot of American company owners are trying to pull back on everything covid. One of the angles is attempting to void all contracts not physically signed with a wet signature. Completely ignoring digital signing is a (new?) tactic being used.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 23 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

7 months ago I started a 6 month remote contract for chime.com.

At around 5 months, I asked my manager if she was going to extend me. She said no. Cool, whatever. Life of a contractor.

The product and engineer team rallied against ending my contract and my manager caved and extended my contract for another 6 months.

So a week into my new contract, they asked me to come into the office in San Francisco.

This is a difficult ask from me because I had to find a person to watch my son and my dogs. Drove my son an hour away to my sisters and paid a dog sitter 80/day to watch my dogs.

I land in San Francisco and my boss text me saying she has something important to tell me. I get into the office and a few hours later she cancels my contract because they want to have the person in my role local and to come into the SF office 4 days a week. This new position is also only paying 135k vs my 165k.

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 15 points 5 hours ago

The irony of yet another fintech that enables you to do everything from your phone and yet wants the staff in the office. Screw them. You'll find something better (if you haven't already).

[–] dancingdots@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's deplorable! Did your contract have any early termination penalties?

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No, not at all. I don't understand why we even have contracts written if anyone can breach it at will.

[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 hours ago

Well, fuck them. Your product team and stuff sounds decent though. When they failed to find a local and asks you to come back, remember to demand a 10% raise.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Love how there is clearly a last line cropped out.

:: eye twitches::

[–] ShortFuse@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

"If the answer is yes, you should be incredibly proud of yourself." (My guess)

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If they signed the offer, is that not a contract? Do they not have a pretty clear breach of contract case here?

[–] hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Right to work baby! At-will employment means "You can leave any time you want, but we can fire you any time we want."

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, I guess I forgot where I lived for a moment and took for granted my union contract.

[–] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Never quit your job over an offer, I always run my time out at my old job.

Last job switch was last day on Friday, new day of first job on Monday.

[–] Ebber@lemmings.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What do you mean "running your time out"? I'm having difficulties understanding how that isn't quitting your job

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

i think they mean - unless you have signed a proper contract (not just an offer) and there are now consequences for the employer if they let you go for no reason, then you should still stick to your old job

[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that's the majority of the companies work. You sign an offer, quit your old job on Friday (at the end of the notice), and sign the new contract the next Monday.

[–] Ebber@lemmings.world 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

So this is some bullshit going on in America? Where I live the contract is signed ahead of time with a specific start date, so this signing an offer (which sounds like nothing more than a pinky promise) and then a contract on the first day is new knowledge to me.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago

Ah, a fellow wage slave.

[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

They could have waited longer. That would have been worse.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 2 points 5 hours ago

In the modern environment I can't help but wonder, since I don't know who this guy is, is he a citizen of the United States. Because PayPal might be towing the Trump party line for all I know. It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[–] SeboBear@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 9 hours ago

Shocking to hear as I am Used to have binding consequences for such action in my country - feel u !

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

never ever assume you got the offer until both parties have signed a contract

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

That's what I thought "signing the offer" meant?

Contracts can be written on napkins and still be valid... If both parties agreed to the terms, and they signed it, I feel like that's a contract even if the company doesn't want to call it that.

But I'm not a lawyer

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

i think "offer" is the keyword here. they specifically didn't say "job contract", they just signed an "offer" of some kind, whatever that is. A job contract is a legal document that has a specific definition of what it entails, an "offer" is just an offer

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah probably... Scummy as fuck, but not one bit surprising

[–] kahdbrixk@feddit.org 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

What is the meaning of "signing an offer" then? Is this not a binding contract?

Just curious. Not American. Don't know if this has anything to do with the US.

Edit: or was this a situation where only OP signed an offer and then quit the old job before having the signature of the other party? Would be very unusual, I normally get contracts pre signed by my new employer that only I need to sign

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 39 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

That's the whole point of having a contract. You don't quit your old job until you have a signed new contract for the new one. I understand that many Americans don't believe in this basic concept, but it's common in many countries around the world.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Even a contract includes probation period where they can let you go without reason and short notice. Even in a quite worker-friendly country like Germany it is usually 6 month period with 2 weeks notice (both sides).

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 7 points 7 hours ago

Absolutely true, but in this case they seem to be trying to wiggle out of even that minimal notice period. A promissory estoppel case would probably, if the plaintiff won, see damages in the form of payment equal to the salary that would have been earned in that minimum notice period.

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Unfortunately many employment agreements in the US are "at will" meaning either party can terminate it immediately at will. In states where this is legal (almost all of them), you'd be hard-pressed to find any company willing to do it any other way.

[–] cyberblob@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 hours ago

That must be the Land of the free. :D

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[–] Joostringoot@feddit.nl 16 points 12 hours ago

That's why we need a democratic economy. Distribute the power over the means of production.

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