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Promoting Linux: An End-User Manifesto (www.youtube.com)
submitted 11 months ago by simple@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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[–] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I have just started trying to use Linux and I find it very hard to actually recommend it to anyone. And the problem isn't really anything mentioned in the video, it's just that the UX is not great. You have to google so much to get things working and the answers are almost always typing some cryptic stuff into the terminal. I am technically minded enough to get by but Linux ends up feeling more like a hobby to me rather than something I can actually get work done in.

That said, I really like Linux and am gonna stick with it. I just don't don't see it being widely adopted until it becomes a bit more straight forward.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which distro and DE are we talking about?

I have the same issue with Windows. I've been using Linux since I got my first PC. Trying to navigate Windows is a pain in the ass. It's just old programs somehow put together. When I find some solutions online it's often opening who knows what via Windows+R or better yet, changing something I have no idea about in regedit.
And even the most basic things are hidden away by many steps.

[–] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel you, I'm sure a lot of it comes down to familiarity. I just very recently did a fresh reinstall of windows and endeavour in a dual boot. And honestly the Calamares installer is a lot nicer than the windows one. But doing simple things like just writing to a secondary hard drive is a non-issue in windows whereas in Linux it was a whole learning adventure.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But doing simple things like just writing to a secondary hard drive is a non-issue in windows whereas in Linux it was a whole learning adventure.

What do you mean by that? Are you talking about RAID, having some partitions on separate drive or something else? Because if you mean just using secondary drive for files that's just as easy as on Windows with most distributions.
Or did you mean installing programs to secondary drive? Yeah... I have no idea how that can be done. By a quick 4 minute search it seems... that it's a problem.
So yeah, I can see a problem here. So many computers have something like 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD.

[–] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago

No, just a secondary hard drive. I use it for Windows and Linux so it's ntfs. I was just trying to save a file to it but it said I didn't have access, turns out I needed to specify ntfs-3g in the fstab file before I could write to it.

[–] juli@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Beginners usually do not have to do anything in terminal to adjust the system. Which desktop environment?

There isn't one united linux user frontend - would be cool if you'd state which one is not great.

I assume you talk about gsetting commands?

[–] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have tried quite a few now. Fedora, Mint, Debian - none could detect my wifi card so I had to go do a bunch of googling to try and get them working, found what driver I needed but was never able to actually find out how to install it, other than some terminal commands in forums that didn't end up working. I stuck with Endeavour OS because it detected it without any problems.

I have a keyboard that I configure with an online tool called via that requires something called hid. On windows it just works but on Endeavour I have to enable something through the terminal.

I have a shared data drive and in order to make it mount when I start the computer I had to go and edit some fstab file?

I couldn't even figure out how to install a dual boot with with fedora and mint because it asked me about the root and home and swap and boot partitions and didn't explain how to set any of them up or what they did.

I needed a program for work that wasn't on a repository and I had to google howw to launch an .sh file because clicking doesn't work haha. Also through the terminal.

I'm not saying these are crazy insurmountable problems, and windows definitely has some similar things, getting my tablet working was so much smoother on Linux for example. But I've had to learn so much more about how my computer works to actually use Linux and I'm just not sure the majority of people will have that patience.

[–] juli@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I agree linux can be very difficult but easy as well if you do not have "exotic" needs. If more people were using linux, especially more non techies, a lot would change but we'll get there just slowly.

to respond to your points

I initially thiught you meant that you had to use commands in order to tinker with the UI - that's my bad!

Wifi card, drivers, etc. can be a real pain. That's neither linux or your fault. It's just that noone prior to you wanted to use it and that's why it wasn't yet supported. Most systems are just plug and play. - compare it to macos, and you'll find that linux is easy to install on most systems.

Auto mount is done using fstab right. Yoz xna also auto mount from the file explorer of the disk utility, it always depends on the system. There are a lot of different things and it's not perfect.

Dual booting is in my opinion something for advanced people. I have no idea why anyone would ever suggest it to a newcomer! It's pain in the ass if you deviate from the standard protocol.

Xou can double click on a shell script (.sh) by chmod +x file.sh or > right click > properties > exe as program

[–] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago

O no, tinkering with the ui is a delight, especially when compared to windows! I love the amount of customisation you get.

And yeah, dual booting can be a pain, I had to learn a lot more than I thought I did to get everything setup reasonably, unfortunately it's also kind of a requirement for a lot of people who are thinking of swapping but need to give it a test drive first. I would have had a lot less issues without a dual boot, but I also need my computer for work so can't really go all in until I'm sure I can do everything I need first.

Also yes I agree, I am really excited for the future of Linux, even just having been using it and reading and watching Linux content for a short time I can already sense it's moving in a good direction. Very excited for wayland, not having different resolution scaling on different screens is another nitpick.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've decided to run Linux as my main os next PC build... I said that two years ago and still haven't built my new rig.

I'm terrified of switching. There's just way too much information out there. So many options.

I'm used to being in a box with just one or two ways of doing things.

Does anyone know a good series to help windows users adapt?

Just need web surfing and gaming including steam vr

[–] trivial_wannabe@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, just go with Debian Stable (bookworm) with KDE or Linux Mint. It is pretty stable and a windows like experience.

I have not tried VR on it tho, so can't speak to that.

[–] Zamundaaa@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry, but Debian stable is a terrible recommendation! They don't even ship bugfix releases of KDE Plasma... It's stuck with a months old version that has lots of known and long fixed bugs in it

[–] trivial_wannabe@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Fair point, but for someone who doesn't like tinkering and is afraid to make the jump to Linux, I still stand by the suggestion.

Different people value different things and that's okay.

[–] Stillhart@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

He makes a great point about separating "the FOSS crusade" from the linux discussion.

[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

When folks will stop with the "If Linux won't become another Windows, it'll fail" mentality? Linux is not Winblows -- and we really mean it. To "increase adoption" users need to acknowledge (only) this -- that both Windows and Linux differs from one another and that won't change in any time soon.

[–] simple@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Who said anything about Linux becoming Windows?

[–] juli@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is there a peertube bot? 😅

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 11 months ago

I don't think PeerTube would work here, unless you mean a bot that posts PeerTube stuff from certain channels every so often.

There is a bot around here that converts YouTube links to Piped ones.