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[–] elrecoal19_1@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Just the Mario part, I think you could make a clone with just different scenarios and characters (even the same track shapes) and be 100% legal.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago

Do yourself a favour and play Aero GPX instead

[–] AlexLost@lemm.ee 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So, like Switch 1 games were/are $80, I don't understand the uproar?! They've always been this expensive, they haven't gone up. Maybe I have it wrong as a Canadian?! I don't get the big deal?

[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago

No game for any platform has ever been $80 USD base price.

[–] elrecoal19_1@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I think this is the first time base games are $80

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Edit: Some salty commenters here. This isn’t my graph, just one I grabbed. Notes aren’t mine.

I’m a huge proponent for inflation adjusted livable minimum wage- which should be close to $30 an hour these days. Also hugely worried about our housing cost trends.

I’m only pointing out that expecting games to cost 40-60 for life is a little silly- yall still paying $.10 for a loaf of bread? I remember when games inched from $40 to $60 and everyone lost their minds- no one complains about it anymore. Don’t wanna pay retail? Wait for sales, bundles, used copies.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The thing that graph doesn't take into account is barely anyone paid full price for those older games. Games used to lower prices to increase sales volume and those sale prices are significantly less than $80 even accounting for inflation.

[–] MrVilliam@lemm.ee 77 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Okay, but now do housing and groceries and you'll see why people don't have extra money laying around for another Nintendo and its Mario kart.

Economics is significantly more complicated than a bar graph of inflation-adjusted video game price tags lol. Hell, even just value of each game in their respective release time period is more complicated than that. I doubt there's anything unique to this new game (other racing games have done the open world thing several times starting like 15 years ago), but the kart racer genre itself was new back in the 90s.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is a valuable way of seeing how prices have changed in different ways for different categories, just since 2000.

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[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Edit: these notes have been addressed in OP's post

Note: Salary growth has outpaced inflation.

You know what else has outpaced inflation? The cost of living. Purchasing power for middle and lower class people is far less than what it used to be. "Inflation" doesn't account for that.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

this argument is so fucking dumb

Volume of video game sales has changed monstrously over the years as it moved from a niche hobby to mainstream

SNES Mario kart - 8.76 million copies sold worldwide Switch Mario kart 8 - 67.34 million copies sold world wide.

SNES mario kart (inflation adjusted) earnings - 1,095,000,000 Switch Mario kart earnings - 5,252,520,000

Game dev budgets have obviously exploded in that time and nintendo doesn’t disclose their budgets but on average its estimated snes titles got about 1-2 million and switch/wii u titles got 30ish million. That’s a sizable increase in development that wildly outpaces inflation, for sure, but their earnings obviously did too.

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[–] Zomg@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Games are also much easier to distribute now than they ever where, saving cost.

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[–] RadicalEagle@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

But isn’t it easier if I just ignore the nuance of economics and just place all the blame for my unhappiness on corporate greed?

I think it’d also be interesting to see the total production cost of each Mario Kart, and a total sales/revenue generated by each game.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 45 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The Mario part. You can copy the Kart part all day. They've been doing so since at least the 64. See:

  • Diddy Kong Racing

  • Crash Team Racing

  • Burger King Pocketbike Racer

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

The crash racing games are actually amazing, their boost system is the best

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[–] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled: A remaster of the classic

PlayStation kart racer, featuring Crash Bandicoot and his friends.

Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed: Characters from SEGA franchises race in vehicles that transform into boats and planes.

Diddy Kong Racing: Race with Diddy Kong and his friends in karts, planes and hovercraft.

Team Sonic Racing: A kart racer where you work together in teams, using team moves and ultimate abilities.

Nickelodeon Kart Racers Series: Features characters from various Nickelodeon shows.

Disney Speedstorm: A kart racer featuring characters from Disney and Pixar franchises.

KartRider: Drift: A free-to-play kart racer with a focus on drifting.

Lego Racers: Build and race Lego vehicles on various tracks.

Garfield Kart Furious Racing: Race as Garfield and his friends on themed tracks.

Konami Krazy Racers: Race as characters from Konami's popular franchises.

Blur: Combines arcade racing with vehicular combat and power-ups.

ModNation Racers: Features track creation and customization.

LittleBigPlanet Karting: Brings the creativity of LittleBigPlanet into a kart racing experience.

F1 Race Stars: A more arcade-style take on Formula 1 racing.

SuperTuxKart: An open-source kart racing game.

Starlit Kart Racing: A free-to-play kart racer with a variety of game modes.

[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Konami Krazy Racers

I wonder why they didn't got for something like "Konami Krazy Karting"

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[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You have the best list here, but you forgot Wipeout series. Futuristic racing with weapons, set to electronic music.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Crash Team Racing PS1 was IMHO better than Mario Kart N64. The wumpa fruit added a neat dimension, and the ability to select weapons for battle mode was great.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago
[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

If I'm not mistaken, a large component of Nintendo's power comes from Japanese copyright laws being far more pro-copyright holder and Nintendo uses it to its full potential. In Japan, this sometimes results in prison sentences and often big fines. it's also applied outside the country against a consortium of universal copyright recognizing countries and so it can affect you regardless of your location although I forget how exactly.

To @AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 's point, perhaps it is the weak qualifications for Japanese patents which have allowed Nintendo to bully everyone.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

piracy makes for the easiest boycotts ever.

just saying.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Excuse me, it's not piracy if it's Nintendo.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

nintendo is one of those companies where ill take pride in STEALING from, even if piracy isn't stealing.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm still busy enjoying their older consoles. They probably hate that.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

judging by how hard/expensive it is to obtain their older games on their newer consoles, yeah you bet they hate it.

luckily those are both easy to emulate and buy second hand.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yep, I like to play their older games on a mix of original hardware, modding, and emulation.

[–] bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If the emulators work. I mean, didn't Nintendo just shut down two of the best recently?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

they tried to shut down two of the best recently.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Super Tux Kart

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[–] Jeffool@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Basically every kind of game needs a "MUGEN" for that genre. Then we just put in the content we want and theme it appropriately.

[–] hexabs@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does SuperTuxKart fit the bill?

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 13 points 1 week ago

If you wanted to make a Mario Kart clone, copyright is easy enough to avoid. Nearly every other second-rate dev studio has managed to make a half-baked Mario Kart ripoff for whatever Nick Jr show they got the licensing to, so that part's simple.

The real issue is navigating the patent minefield that Nintendo has laid out.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Break out DOSBox and fire up Wacky Wheels from Apogee

...... Not particularly more recently there was a Crash Team Racing remake

Honestly coming up blank for anything else recentish in that genre

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[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago

Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed is oddly slept on. Great kart racer.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Wii is still a good platform

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wii U also. You can download pirated games directly from Nintendo official servers.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

Th Wii U didn't sell that many consoles compared to the Wii.

Also there isn't much need for piracy for the Wii as there are tons of games that can be had for cheap.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The world needs wacky wheels again

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