Russophobia isn't real tho
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Don't you guys think all Ukrainians are nazis?
No? I think there is a Nazi problem, but that's it.
Though uh, the Ukrainian security chief is sounding like a Nazi here...
Again thanks for highlighting exactly my point. Baseless nonsense as cconsumed from russia one. You guys are amazing.
He's literally saying Russians = Asians = subhuman
Like???
I've seen one article parroted by Russian propaganda engines saying thus. Never seen a video or any other sources saying it.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1687461201565868032
here's the video, can't confirm the translation of course but if you want to try and find a russian speaker to translate this for you to disprove us go ahead
*crickets*
Tbf they last posted before I responded, probably havent seen it yet. Still, based on their behavior in the rest of the thread, I’m expecting either silence or some insane goalpost shift
What he said was that Russians aren't like Ukrainians. More Asian than Ukrainians are and that they think differently.
Context is important and your poorly translated version is NOT what he's saying. He's not saying all Asians are subhuman- he's saying they have a different past and are influenced by it. He's saying Russians are more violent based on where they come from and the past they've had. This is something he hadn't counted on etc.. etc.. etc.. since this is just a clip I don't know where he was going with it. But it sounds more like he saying ukrainian military is more humane with regards to how they treat people than the russians.
MY point is that you and your type will just say a thing based purely on propaganda.
are you claiming to be able to speak Russian?
I'm claiming to be able to understand enough plus have a Russian speaking partner to back me.up
btw I just want you to know that even your supposed different translation is insane,
More Asian than Ukrainians ...
...
... He’s saying Russians are more violent based on where they come from and the past they’ve had
Wtf does being "more Asian" mean? This is in the same vein as the nazi "asiatic hordes" bullshit
I really don't know where he was going with it. I admit it was probably poorly worded but it definitely wasn't what you guys are trying to paint it as. I can speculate-as I've already done.
I know where he's going with it, he's dehumanizing them, there's no other reason to paint them as "more Asian" it's literally a fucking Nazi dog whistle that Russians are barbaric Asians
Yeah again. Thanks for making my point. You guys just keep drinking russia one
do you have no knowledge of WW2? this isn't something Russians came up with???
Will you listen to yourself projecting European raciasm onto your enemies? No one has ever said Ukrainians are Nazis nor have they have ever said the existence of Nazis in Ukraine is a function of their culture and their genetics. What we have said is that Ukraine has neo-Nazi movements in it that trace their lineage all the back to the Third Reich and that the US has armed, funded, trained, and organized these Nazi groups because they are useful to US strategic aims. We then couple that with the historical fact that the US has voted against the resolutions condemning the glorification of Nazis at the UN multiple times, and we show how the "democratic" government that was ushered in on a US-backed coup incorporated the Nazi elements, giving them legitimacy, political cover, access to more weapons, training, and funding, and sending a clear signal to the world that Nazism is both acceptable and useful in the battle for total European dominance of the region as part of the larger US project for total domination of the world, which the US inherited from European colonial powers.
The de-nazification that we wish to see in Ukraine is the destruction of the support systems that enable these neo-Nazis to continue to operate, expand, recruit, and propagandize.
None of this is based on anything even resembling the racism of the West, and to suggest as much as to tell on yourself how much you believe the Western propaganda that everyone acts like the West. It's just not true.
Yeah- this right here. Thank you for pointing out the propaganda you guys feast on daily. That was exactly my point. Oh except for the part where you said no one said Ukrainians are nazis- plenty of you definitely say that.
There is an extreme prevalence of Nazis in the post-Euromaidan Ukrainian government, military (e.g. Azov), etc.
That is not the same thing as saying “all Ukrainians are Nazis”
That's just not true. The azov battalion HAD a problem with it but it was mostly dealt with prior to the current conflict. The rest of what you said is more Russian propaganda
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christopherm51/ukraine-russia-invasion-far-right-training
please man this is embarrassing, I will pick out some extremely concerning quotes if you want, but this was written literally the month right before the conflict went into full swing
Yeah?
1st) buzzfeed 2nd) the whole article is talking about the concern that the azov battalion could gain polotical/social favor by fighting for ukraine .. like it did in 2014.
Yes the above battalion was fully of extremists. . Yes right up until the annexation of crimea they had been on a downward trajectory with regard to recruitment, socio and political power. After the intial conflicts in 2014 there was a a resurgence. The us military refused to work with anyone known to have been associated with the battalion and/or far right extremism- so there was kind of a whitewashing that went on internally.
Your war is literally the thing that is giving azov battalion more clout in Ukraine. Whereas if you'd just left it alone ukraine was on track to cleaning up corruption and extremism.
Which is more than likely exactly why russia invaded- the country was headed towards future stability and closer relations to Europe and the west.
Your war
also Azov didn't even exist until 2014 wtf are you typing??????
Technically correct- it didn't as the azove group. It was a few different groups beforehand that was brought together. I don't remember the names off hand but my point still stands. Russia invaded ukraine twice and that is what keeps azov as a relevant force.
so first you claim that
The azov battalion HAD a problem with it
which sounds like you saying that the azov battalion had a problem with nazis and then they got the nazis out of azov, and you would not be the first hapless liberal bootlicker I've seen say that because they read articles saying after February 2022. but whatever, I guess you mistyped and you meant that the various nazi groups banded together, and I'm supposed to read your mind and know you mistyped. I'm not arguing about what exactly was happening in 2014, I'm kinda tired of dealing with this 
shit
Am I drunk or is there literally just one (1) git arguing that "it's totally not what it seems"? I guess the other downvooters don't have anything to say. Truth hurts, I suppose.
Not drunk. You're right that I'm th only one in here saying maybe you should actually look into the bit rather than dog piling onto some propaganda.
I mean it would look better for you if you were drunk. The fact that you make these comments sober makes it all the more hilarious.
Ok yog. As per usual you don't have anything except some ad hominum bs. Anyone can see you history I don't have to prove anything- you've done it to yourself already
At least learn what ad hominem is if you're going to use it to try and sound smart. What people should be looking at is your post history. Now that's what an actual propagandist shill looks like.
Lol. Oh really?
ad ho·mi·nem
adjective
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
prop·a·gan·dist Noun
a person who promotes or publicizes a particular organization or cause.
Which organization or cause am I promoting again? Meanwhile yours is full of anti west bullshit with terrible sources, easily disproven clickbait, and you constantly insulting anyone who dares take the 30 seconds it takes to dismantle your delusional ranting.
Ad hominem would be me saying you're wrong because of your personal qualities. I'm saying you're wrong and you're deplorable not that you're wrong because you're deplorable. Ad hominem is actually what you're doing. You're trying to discredit my posts by making personal attacks on me, but you never engage with the actual content of my posts. Seems like you've taken the whole day here to make a clown of yourself, but failed to take the 30 seconds to address anything I said. Bye troll.
Oh yeah? I've already pointed out your posting of disinformation in previous comments. Your response? Blocking me because you knew I was right. Literally half the time you post something the second page of your own source completely discredits your original point. You post clickbait and don't even bother to read it yourself clown.
I literally gave you the definition of ad hominem and you still fucked it up. You attack character- not position. You have made 0 counters to any arguments I've made. Purely attacking me personally. That's literally the definition of ad hominem. And you literally havent made any attempt at a point in this discussion- so literally nothing to counter. So yeah- goodbye indeed troll. Again.
Literally all you've done was make personal attacks on me, and never actually made a single point of your own. You don't know what ad hominem is, you didn't have a position to attack dumb ass. People being mean to you isn't ad hominem. What attempt can there be at a discussion with a troll who screeches about propagandists when presented with facts. You're a sad clown and you just provide free entertainment for the rest of us. That's your lot in life.
here's the video of him speaking, anyone can feel free to try and get someone to fact check the translation for you: https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1687461201565868032
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