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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I made a deal with myself a long time ago, my primary value:

I'd rather know than be happy.

Reality is cold and bleak. We have so many social constructs meant to obfuscate that fact. I wouldn't change my values, but they aren't a path to a shiny, happy life, and blissful ignorance values are among the biggest reasons our civilization's outlook is so bleak.

A CEO has no desire to see how those they laid off are doing months later, or the children they hurt polluting a water source, or their own current employee's subsistence living conditions despite the revenue they generate. They should have to see the pain they've caused to line their pockets, as should shareholders who applied pressure in willful ignorance for maximum profit(bliss), but ignorance is bliss.

Which is why, though alluring, the bliss of willful ignorance is a dangerous and antisocial value to live by.

[–] lemmy_ph@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

where ignorance is bliss, 'Tis folly to be wise

[–] Moriarty@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago

I feel the same way.

[–] Timboflex@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The "stuff you know" slice should be "stuff you think you know," and "stuff you know" should be a tiny sliver.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's fun asking kids, if 100 is knowing everything and zero is knowing nothing, how much do you know? And they'll answer something like 80 or 90.

Then you ask them how many words they know in the dictionary. Then you ask how many words they know in other languages. And then they realise they don't know much at all and agree the answer is something more like 0.0000000000001. (needs more zeros)

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And you could even argue that we can't really know if we can know anything, because we don't know if we are objective observers of the universe.

We can make it as philosophical as we want. Do you know that you can know anything with certainty?

The mind is a mindfuck.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So, you're saying I know something.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Even if you know nothing, that's something.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Well, if all you know is that you know nothing, you do know something ... and you're wrong about it.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 18 points 10 months ago

I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.

- Isaac Newton

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Simmer down Socrates, you took one graphic design class.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

Not to scale.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So you’re saying my anxiety is justified, when do I start feeling the bliss?

[–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The problem is there's a fog of war like veil over the things you know called "things you don't know you know".

For people like myself with anxiety, I look out and I see all the things I don't know, yet the things I do know are nearly invisible, making it feel like I know nothing despite being highly qualified and good at what I do.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

How do you know how much i don't know that i don't know?

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

This pie chart thinks way, way too highly of me.

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Dont tell me what I don't know I don't know!

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Depends on what you take as "knowledge". The kind of "What's the name of person X in India" or the kind with understanding?

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

It doesn't matter. Either way our knowledge is microscopic compared to what there is to know.

There's so many things I don't know.

Like cheese, you know.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult ones.

— some asshole who was unfortunately also intelligent

[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah. Too many people these days speak in absolutes with no interest in diving into the unknown.

[–] byroon@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Speak for yourself

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

This chart is the very first thing they show you at The Landmark Forum. They even tried to copyright it...

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

The stuff I know slice should be microscopic in my case.

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

The stuff I know and stuff I know I don’t know slices might be a bit too big lol there’s sooooo much shit to not know in this incomprehensibly vast universe

[–] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 2 points 10 months ago

In before someone tries to explain that they know everything and this chart is wrong for them in particular.

[–] stratosfear@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 months ago

Landmark Education?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Is it possible there's an afterlife we just don't know about it?