I recommend a japanese car (Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, Honda) with not too many miles (below 60000 miles) and not older than 10 years. These brands have a good longevity. Keep an eye out for engines with a timing chain instead of a timing belt, as the latter needs to be replaced regularly, adding to maintainence costs.
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Japanese car with under 60k miles is going to be well over $5k. Considering these things can go well over 400,000km with proper maintenance, finding one in the mid 200s would be fine
Is the car market in Canada that bad right now? In 2021 I got my 2011 Nissan versa with around 60k miles for about 4k (USD). You just have to be willing to pass up some luxury features and find the right deal instead of buying from a dealership.
Consider getting a line of credit to increase your buying power and in case you have repair costs in the future.
Absolutely get a set of winter tires, not just for safety in Canadian winters, but also because it should lower the cost of insurance. Do not skip the winter tires.
Keep an eye out for shady things sellers do too, like starting the car before you get there (why wouldn't they show you a cold start?). Listen very hard for any sounds and ask the owner if they have had it looked at or even noticed it. Ears are a big advantage in car buying. Make sure you don't notice any shakes or rumbles while driving or turning sharp (bearings=expensive fixes). I won't recommend brands as other already have, and I'm too into weird cars to offer a normal opinion.
Make sure to check the oil dip stick and transmission dip stick too. And if the car is already when you get there turn it off first thing and just look through car.
toyota corolla.
Toyota Corolla! Or anything Toyota
You live in canada, so buy something with both 4wd / 2wd. Having 2wd for the summer will save you gas money, and having 4wd means its safer to drive in snow (regarding safety from your vehicle and not others).
4wd is not a luxury one can afford on a $5k CAD budget. Snow tires and driving slow are enough to navigate our winters.
A 1st ot 2nd gen tacoma would be awesome for this but WATCH FOR FRAME RUST. some of them have major issues here.
Please stop spreading this misinformation. 4wd/awd does not make a car safer in the snow. Winter tires do. A 2wd with winter tires will perform better than 4wd by a long shot.
According to your logic, a 2wd w/ snow tires will be a 4wd w/ snow tires AND even with a locking rear diff. Have you ever been off roading or gone up a icy slope in the winter?
I have an 03 1.8T 5mt Jetta that I’m keeping maintained mostly myself. It’s fun, old enough that I can consider it somewhat of a beater (I live in the city), and it’s comically easy to park due to the small size. Also, shitloads of aftermarket for it, if you’re into that sort of thing.
Not a Canadian, but: get something that’s common. The more people that have had the car, the more reliable it usually is and the cheaper are parts and repairs.
My first car was a Hyundai Getz which was about 10 years old when I got it, and she died of rust 4 years later. But it was cheap, reliable and had AC.
i don't think it qualifies as that reliable if rust killed it only 4 years later. car bodies can usually last decades...
unless it had serious unseen rust issues beforehand, or you were driving it in salt all the time.
It had a dead transmission when I bought it, poor thing did not get a wash after winter.
My Audi that I’ve been driving for 8 years gets her belly washed every month. No rust in sight so far.
Cars are unique, get one that was properly maintained. You will hear a lot of "avoid germans, get a toyota" but I had 0 problems with my previous vw and audi, while my family and friends all had japanese cars and spent ridiculous amounts fixing them. A car's history matters the most. Oh and stay the hell away from anything french.
German cars can either go 300k miles and be great, or 25k miles and take a crap because their plastic water pump failed (bmw). I'd say they're very reliable when all preventative maintenance is done. But then so is any car, and most people don't do preventative maintenance because we are humans.
nothing's more expensive than a cheap bmw.
I've owned 4 golfs, and my impression of vw is regardless of how they're maintained little issues start popping up everywhere after about 100k miles. No amount of maintenance is going to prevent window switches from breaking for example
My 3.2 vw passat had 250k km or 155k freedom units and it worked like a dream. It even had the much feared dsg gearbox. I only swapped it for audi a4 because I got bored with it.
French cars don’t exist in Canada
I bought a 10 year Audi for $5,000 (USD) but then spent something like $10-15,000 in repairs because I’m an idiot.
i wonder if europeans see old audis/bmws in a better light, since these cars are more commonplace over there (more commonly available parts, mechanics know its tricks, and all that)
i wonder if they are less run down or are simply just shitty cars everywhere.
Well the good news is that after I dumped a ton of money into it, it’s running smooth and still looks pretty new. It’s a Typ 8P A3 hatchback which are kind of rare here in the US.
The impression I got from the car history was that owner #2 drove it pretty hard and never maintained it. I’m dreaded owner #3.
oh i love these things, we got a lot of the previous facelift to that one in decent numbers, kinda wanted one to drive pretty hard.
but in good condition such that it would not turn into a black hole for money, because they can sadly get crazy expensive to fix and maintain where i live. 10-15k usd sounds about right but its a huge amount in south america. like i can get new-ish proper car in great condition for that amount.
It isn’t here either. That’s over the course of ~2 years but I’m not wealthy by any means either. I’m lucky to not rely on it for work, so I can wait and take my time repairing it when needed.
i think i’ve hear that a Toyota Camry supposed to be the goat in terms of reliability and repairability.
i always asked what they mainly used it for and if it had any repairs or has been in accidents. though i think you can find accidents on the vin number of the car.
good luck! i hope you find a car :)
Okay thanks a lot ! I will keep that in mind !
Don’t bother with any car that has had any history of accidents.
Even some light accidents ?
Yeah even then. It’s one of those things you just shouldn’t entertain because you don’t want to later discover that a small accident actually did more damage than first realized.
get a pre purchase inspection? there is no reason to pass on a car because it had a fender bender if someone actually looks in over it which everyone should do before a huge investment like buying a car.
I dunno, my philosophy is that cars are a dime a dozen so you shouldn’t ever settle for one with damage when you can eventually find the same one without if you keep looking.
Actually, for a used car, I would recommend to look for a nasty but cosmetic scratch. It's the kind of stuff which gets you a great discount while not impacting the mechanical performance.
Ah okay ! Thanks for the advice :) !
Pre-Purchase Inspection!! Seriously doesn't matter what it is you are way better off spending on an inspection than potentially blowing 5k.
The Japanese brands are generally a safer bet for reliability. Toyota is one of the best reputation wise but that comes with an increased price due to that reputation.
A manual transmission is best for reliability IMO, but if for some reason you really must have a automatic look for one with a standard auto transmission rather than a dual clutch box or a CVT. Run away from VW dry clutched dual clutch and Ford Powershift transmissions.
Ideally you would have proof of regular servicing, though a completely good record is harder to get on a low budget. Not only do you want it to have the engine oil changed at the service intervals (depends on the vehicle but often ~10k km) but also the other regular stuff that often gets ignored - e.g. brake fluid, coolant, transmission/diff oils, brake pads/rotors. Keep an eye out for big ticket maintenance items such as timing belt changes (typically due around every 100-150k kms) as these are expensive so are often ignored at the risk of major failure.
If you're not confident in spotting issues try and bring along a friend or acquaintance who is more familiar with cars to look it over.
Since you're in Canada where I believe road salt is common check for rust under the car and in places like wheel wells where moisture is likely to be trapped. It's hard to avoid some rust in such an environment but you don't want rust holes anywhere or large sections of flaking rust.
I will search for a Toyota, it seems like It is a good company to buy from ! I saw some Yaris and Corolla with a good price. I won't buy manual, people behind me at stop signs are gonna hate me x). Thanks for your reply :) !!
i don't know anyone who regretted getting a toyota. you ain't either.
just make sure its in good condition.
Generally you'll want something from a Japanese company (Toyota corolla, Honda civic) and check the carfax report for accidents. You can ask about regular maintenance, check to see when the timing belt maintenance is due / if it was done, see if any recalls were taken care of, that sort of thing. If you have a mechanical friend try to bring them to take a look with you.
When you said mechanical friend, I automatically thought of Johnny 5. I think I'm too old to be Internetting right now.
Johnny 5 is alive?
Okay, thanks a lot for reply :) !
Idk if they're a thing over there but Kia Picantos are great, they're basically go carts (the 2011 onwards models anyway). My only issue is that you can be problem free till it hits 10 years old and then once the first electrical gremlin shows up they all turn up one after the other.
Avoid Volkswagen, Audi, bmw.. German cars will run a long time if they’re well taken care of but they’re total money pits (I drive a vw gti and love it but even basic maintenance and repairs are expensive)
Avoid subaru for the same reason.
Honda and Toyota engines run a long time, even with poor maintenance but take care to keep up with maintenance and they will run forever.
Old fords are great, new fords not so much. Dodge makes engines built to die. Most modern trucks have catastrophic engine issues.
Avoid anything that came out after 2017, touch screens, capacitive touch, and other ‘luxary’ electronics are prone to fail and become expensive nuisances. AWD, cvt transmissions, and anything that turns the engine off when you come to a stop will come with expensive maintenance and repairs.
Ask about service history, ask if the timing belt or water pump have ever been changed, get a carfax or auto check report (cars with accidents will be cheaper but come with hidden issues), ask how far their average commute is (the longer the commute the better, short drives don’t let the engines warm up properly).
Look at the condition of the tires, look for even gaps where the body panels meet, turn the wheel all the way and check out the suspension and underneath the car for any serious rust (in Canada, everything is going to have rust, but you don’t want to see any cracks or chunky build up), after it’s warmed up listen for any ticks, chirps, knocks, or grinding noises. Look for water stains in the headliner.
Don’t be afraid to look a little above your price range and negotiate down, people want money, but lots of people just want to get the car off their hands.
Get something as close to or under 100,000 miles as you can but most importantly, get something you feel good in.
Availability and price with vary depending on what’s available near you but Toyota Camry, Toyota corolla, Chevy Cruze, Chevy cavalier, Honda accord, Mazda 3 are all great cars reasonably within your price range.
I don't really like brand favouritism, but if you're able to find a Toyota in your price range, as far as I'm concerned it's pretty hard to go wrong with them. I'm pretty hard-pressed to think of anyone I've ever known who's had a Toyota who had anything really bad to say about them, even with the few years of Tacomas that had major rust issues around the early 2000s, everyone I know who had one felt that Toyota did a pretty solid job of doing right by them.
My current car is an '07 4runner. I bought it used with around 150k miles on it about 5 years ago, I now at just over 200k miles. and except for the usual shit like brakes that are expected to wear down every few years, the only major thing I've had to deal with was replacing the alternator. It does have a small exhaust leak that throws a code for the catalytic converter every so often (it's on for maybe a couple weeks every few months or so) that I'm not particularly concerned about. I'm fairly confident that with not much beyond regular upkeep this car could make it to 300k+ pretty easily.
My wife is driving a Prius that's a few years newer (2012 I think) she's had it for a few years now, only thing she's needed is new tires so far.
Growing up my mom had an '89 Corolla, and there's a damn good chance it's still on the road. At some point we sold it to my uncle who later sold it to a cousin, and after that we lost track of it, but around that time (circa 2010-ish) it was still going just fine, even after having a pretty large tree fall on it and all of the usual wear and tear you'd expect on a 20+ year old car.
Outside of my family's favoritism for Toyotas, I also have a hard time thinking of people who have anything bad to say about Honda's. I've also never heard anyone complain about their Subaru, I have less personal experience with Subarus overall, I've never driven one, but my overall impression of every one I've ever ridden in has been positive, and Subaru owners sing their praises.
Most people I've known with Kias and Hyundais have also spoken highly about them..
Overall, my general advice is buy from any of the major Asian car brands unless you need a larger pickup truck (¾ ton or bigger,) then pretty much your only options are pretty much American trucks. For ½ ton or smaller trucks, I'd personally stick to Asian brands still, with the possible exception of the Ford Maverick.
As far as specific models, my personal recommendations are
Subaru in pretty much any market segment they inhabit. Smaller sporty cars are dumb regardless of brand, but if that's your thing, go Subaru.
Sedans/hatchbacks- Toyota Corolla or Prius, Honda Accord or civic.
Compact suvs/crossovers- Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, Kia sportage, Hyundai Tucson. Wrangler if you actually intend to go off roading, Suzuki samurai if you're going off roading and not in the US.
Mid-sized SUV: Toyota 4runner (I've dialed in that a midsized SUV is the right sized car for me personally at this point in my life, not going to go into all of the reasoning for that, but having driven a few different brands and models I am personally confident in saying that it is the be-all end-all of mid sized SUVs for me, if Isuzu ever makes a comeback in the passenger vehicle segment and resurrects the trooper I may be open to reevaluating that because I loved my trooper, but they're all 20+ years old now)
Full-sized SUVs: do not recommend. If you can find one of the old school jeep wagoneers maybe do that for the cool factor, but if you're contemplating a full sized SUV what you really want is a minivan, or maybe a Ford flex. They're not "cool," but trust me, minivans are the shit.
Minivans- they're all pretty good, never met a minivan I didn't like.
Small pick-up trucks- Ford Maverick, or if you need/want a "real" truck get a Tacoma or Frontier, or go for old rangers/Mazda B series or a t100 if you're ok with an old truck, or replace all of those recommendations with a Toyota Hilux if you're not in the US/Canada
½ ton pickup- Toyota tundra
Bigger than ½ ton- you don't need this unless you are regularly towing a heavy trailer or live and work on a farm, or do major construction business with your personal vehicle, or something to that effect. If that applies to you, take your pick of any of the big 3 American brands, I like Fords, but honestly I view this as the same as picking your favorite color, it's what you like personally, don't let anyone else yuck your yum.
Personally, and I'm not saying this applies to everyone by a longshot, what car you need/want is fairly personal, but if I had carte blanche to go out and buy any newish car I could find to replace my current vehicle I'd be looking at
Toyota 4runner or Tacoma
Subaru Crosstrek or Outback
Ford Maverick
But I'm an outdoorsy, DIY-minded person, who goes "off-road" occasionally (I don't go off roading for its own sake, but my life sometimes tak me driving onto a beach, or down some shitty dirt paths, over fields, etc.) has to commute in the snow, often has to pick up bulky lumber and such, and occasionally how small trailers.
My wife who doesn't usually have any of those needs would probably be looking at a newer Prius, or maybe a Hyundai Kona if she decided she wanted something bigger.
And in an ideal world, I'd probably have a maverick or 4runner for my various outdoorsy and DIY pursuits, and whatever the smallest cheapest DIY hybrid or electric car I can find is for my daily commuting as long as it has 4 wheels, a/c, and a radio, pretty much anything out there would be just fine for me. But I can only count on having 2 parking spaces.
Honestly at 5k in this economy, you're probably scraping the bottom of the barrel of anything that can be considered a "good" car, and you're probably going to just end up with whatever is available near you in your price range with relatively low miles. Go asian if you can't but don't expect anything amazing to present itself.