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Defiant Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu doubled down on opposition to Palestinian statehood, deepening the divide with Israel’s closest international allies, as cracks in his wartime “unity” government became increasingly evident.

Anger with Netanyahu is also increasingly visible on the streets, even though there is broad public support for the war. On Saturday, protesters gathered in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Caesarea and Kfar Saba, some calling for bolder action to secure the release of hostages, and others demanding the prime minister step down.

One in Jerusalem held a placard that read: “Mothers’ cry: we will not sacrifice our children in the war to save the rightwing.”

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[–] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 92 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Why does the "sole remaining Superpower nation" bow to a small onery loud mouthed pseudo-nation? Which one is in charge? Curious.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Because taking them to task implies that supporting them for the last seventy years might have been a mistake.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We're Americans. We don't quit just because we're wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing until it turns out right!

[–] CanadaPlus 7 points 10 months ago
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Also, turn out at the polls. Certain Christian voting blocks think supporting Israel is critical for end of days prophecies. And some swing districts have old retirees that show up to vote and have sympathy for Israel.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago

Because Israel has put a great deal of effort into shaping US public opinion and controlling US politicians since the 1980s, when the Israeli left effectively rolled over and croaked, because the Israeli right knew the day would come when they'd need to stall for time while they finished up their genocide.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

One reason is that they're a militarily important foothold for our presence in the middle east. Same goes for the UK.

[–] spamfajitas@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

It seems like people genuinely do not know about the nukes that Israel definitely does not possess wink wink. Kinda changes the dynamic a little bit, I think.

[–] CyberDine@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

“If there were not an Israel, we’d have to invent one.” ~Joe Biden

The State is absolutely necessary to U.S. interests in the Middle East.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

Seems that this policy didn't age well. SA is getting closer to Iran, China is everywhere, Turkey is shaping its own regional policy. There's no much room anymore for Yankee interference in the Middle-East. Even the US government wants to refocus much of its foreign policy toward Asia-Pacific.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Israel has spent decades building a powerful lobbying bloc in Washington. American-Israel PAC is one of the top 3 donors of Congress competing with NRA. They made ties with evangelicals and give free vacations to Israel for every politician. They establish ties with both major political parties and spend millions to defeat any congressman who criticizes Israel.

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[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because they have nukes and would use them on their neighbors.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (9 children)

While screaming and crying about how all those neighbors hate them

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[–] t0m5k1@lemmy.world 86 points 10 months ago (1 children)

His true colours are on full display, yet many still try to say this is not genocide.

It's sick to the core.

[–] Why9@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

UK's David Cameron: "to suggest there's genocidal intent? I do believe that's wrong"

They'll bend over backwards to support Israel, and people are asking what Israel has over the UK to make it so. At some point, answers will have to be given.

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[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 70 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just wish there was some historical example to show how it's wrong to eliminate an entire group of people. Then, they could teach the Israeli government that the systematic removal of a group of people is wrong. But none such example exists. We need to build a great hall that tells of the cost of life by war and hatred. It will be called the great Hall of Cost.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 41 points 10 months ago

There were Zionists in Israel who were actually supportive of the Nazis, both because they hated the British that much, and because they thought that if the Nazis forced the Jews out of Europe, those Jews would move to Mandatory Palestine to take up arms and exterminate the Arabs.

The Stern Gang, otherwise known as the Lehi terrorist organization (and later integrated directly into the IDF as it formed) actually used Nazi race "science" to claim that Jews were a superior race and should exterminate the Arabs who lived in the area. The Stern Gang actually tried to field troops in support of the Nazis in Europe. They tried repeatedly until 1942. The Nazis said no.

Fun fact; Netanyahu's political party formed in the 1980s, as a fusion of two other right-wing parties. The first part leader and Netanyahu's mentor was a former member of Lehi, and as prime minister gave all surviving terrorists medals "for their service in creating the State of Israel".

The other two paramilitary organizations that folded into the IDF were also full of terrorists.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 59 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I don't see why they continue to give weapons to Israel. Just cut them off.

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Many US voters see Israel as the way to get to the end times, Judgement Day. Not doing whatever Israel wants is political suicide.

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That we allow religion to hold such massive sway is such a point of shame for our species, and out countries.

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[–] Atin@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

That and the US military use Israel to test weapons in combat operations. The same idea is why they are so willing to aid Ukraine.

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[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 56 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This shit has to stop. Israël under Likoud has turned into a rogue state, fighting a ruthless war on Palistian people, justifying the war for its own corrupt leaders. US and European governments must realize that Israel is not their ally anymore. It has become a liability and will not do anything for them

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Israël under Likoud has turned into a rogue state, fighting a ruthless war on Palistian people, justifying the war for its own corrupt leaders

Always has been.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 13 points 10 months ago

Both are true. It has always been the case, and yet Likud and the country at large have both definitely shifted hard to the right in the last 10 years.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (29 children)

The really tragic thing is that this is a unique opportunity to establish a Palestinian state with the kind of global support and Arab investment that it would need to succeed.

Most Israelis want nothing to do with an extended stay in Gaza. Another leader in Israel would be able to make it happen, along with ANY serious leadership from Palestine. Abbas is useless, and Haniyeh is delighted to send wave after wave of martyrs at Israel while cashing the aid checks.

[–] PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah but this kind of "opportunity" has presented itself many times over the history of Palestine and the "Arab world" has left them high and dry for their own benefit every time..

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Darn. now surely Biden is going to do something about it. Any second now...

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[–] CanadaPlus 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The US when Israel openly does bad stuff: "We've done nothing and we're all out of ideas!"

[–] simple@lemm.ee 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Are we still doing this narrative that the US wants Israel to stop? They have literally given them billions since they've started bombing. Any bullshit about hoping for palestinians is just trying to save face.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yes? There's a huge amount of inertia in US-Israeli relations but it's very clear at this point that Biden is yanking the leash and trying to reel Netanyahu into a path towards peace. They aren't going to stop supplying weapons any time soon (if ever), the first step would be explicit restrictions on what the weapons could be used for, and we're still a very long ways from that being considered publicly.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Israel doesn't give a shit what anyone else wants them to do. They're going to continue slaughtering the Palestinians and taking their land until someone physically prevents them.

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What country are they going to give to Palestinians after this Holocaust is over? Germany would be the ultimate irony.

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Fuck off hitler

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Netanyahu knows perfectly well that the US Administration are complete total bullshit masters that talk the talk whilst not walking the walk and that they're "relaxed about Genocide" as long as it's commited against non-whites (and for them nowadays Jews are whites).

It wasn't that long ago that in her speech in COP28 Kamala Harris said the US was putting pressure on Israel and then less than a week later the US vetoed in the UN Security Council a resolution for a Ceasefire in Gaza which would otherwise have passed.

(Also, I'm pretty sure that had Russia invaded a Post-Soviet state like Kazakhstan instead of a "white" one like Ukraine, the reaction from the Whitehouse would've been barelly audible).

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