cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/9959466
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Forgejo seems pretty good, I'll move my stuff there too
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[why blocked?] "a contributor made a push from a sanctioned region is what i saw. not even a main dev, and they didn’t receive any warning is my understanding. i might be way off, i’m not a final source:
Not that I condone Microsoft, but if it is a sanctioned country (Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc.). Microsoft will be in shit with the US government if they let it there.
If the project has contributors from there, then I guess they need to move off GitHub like they did.
So now we know how to instantly delist any project on GitHub.
Seems like a vulnerability to exploit
Step 1: Get write access to the project you dislike.
My guess is there is an admin that knows where each contributor is from. And can approve or decline check in requests.
All fair but with current us foreign policy I really have hard time respecting their authority on anything
Mega corps gonna mega corp so that why there is a need for decentralization where possible. Otherwise we are all gonna be enslaved by a few mentally ill people with out any check or balace.
Yeah I don't disagree. Corporations shouldn't exist imo, but they do and if you don't want to host your own things then we have to work with them.
Or with cooperatives. Cooperatives are a good alternative to corporations.
Cooperatives are still a corporation, but the ownership is distributed more than the CEO style corporation we are used to.
Are there any 501c3's out there that I can host with? That would be the dream. Unless I guess buying into a cooperative of those exist
I think the point above currently we are relying on mega corps data centers and there is not practical way to replace that right now or in the near future.
With that being said, every household could theoretically have a small sever and we all can create clusters to support local needs needs with out having to pay the toll to the parasite.
Today's self hosting pinoneers could be the back bone of future decentralized internet.
Take a look at meshtastic, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshtastic
Not exactly what you are talking about but it's a local tech solution for communication
A membership cooperative isn't a bad idea I suppose for a cloud service. I think having users vote on the administration of a service could get hard to work with though unless the vote was to delegate it out.
If I interpret this toot correctly, there wasn’t a direct commit from a sanctioned region, but one developer was in one of those regions for a short while quite some time ago. And he may have been flagged because of this.
That seems bullshit.
This is a really strong argument for not depending on non-federated, centrally controlled services. It doesn't matter which country or company is behind Your Favorite Service™, they can be legally mandated to by Oppressive Regime ("it could never happen in my country!"), or they could just be arbitrary assholes.
I don't care why Microsoft did it. I moved off Github when MS acquired them, although in this case it probably wouldn't have made a difference. Regardless, what it proves is that you can not rely on a monopoly.
I don't think federation saves us. If the server owners are in the states they still have to comply. I don't know for certain, but I think if there are us citizens using it, some laws might compel non us based servers as well.
The only way around it that I can think of is tor. That doesn't make it legal it would just be harder to stop.
All of this is assuming the US justice department would even care enough though.
A non-US person that causes a US person to violate US sanctions or engage in conduct that evades US sanctions may itself become subject to US sanctions.
I don't know the text of the sanctions, but lemmy.world could be under US jurisdiction if they allow me to violate sanctions.
Seems pretty dumb to me that the US has been allowed to assert itself this much.
I mean blocking specific countries is stupid anyway. Historically China has been playing games with the EU and the US on a geopolitical level. But: Chinese, European as well as American researchers have been at the core of research on current topics like AI, security, etc. Btw. ironically the scientific landscape is very collaborative and borders on a federated model, it's actually pretty neat how much researchers don't care about country of origin.
What I'm saying is introducing geopolitics into open source development or research is one of the most stupid things to do, because it punishes both your and the other country and only benefits uninvolved third parties. It's literally shooting yourself in the foot.
Problem is that unless the person was paid for contributing, what goods or services are being exchanged with the project. I mean if Microsoft received money from that person for a subscription or something I might see them having to ban the user and refund the money. But what did the project receive that would violate sanctions? Volunteer work is usually not covered or else relief organizations and religious missionaries would be banned and the US historically loves sending those. What am I missing?
If they can tell they're from a banned region why are they letting them push in the first place. Sounds like a convenient excuse.
its sad that this is what the country decided to do. FOSS has nothing to do with the wars waged by politicians, sometimes at the expense of the very people trying to collaborate together despite chauvinism.
i imagine it will sadly get worse as these types of conflicts escalate.
That's strange. A lot of people from Russia continue contributing on GitHub without any issues.
If this doesn't spur on an antitrust suit in the EU, I don't know what will.
It probably won't, they were banned due to sanctions that the EU completely support. Though they were unblocked so it raises questions was the ban even legitimate and also why it took 2 weeks to unban them.
Edit. Also will it be as easy to organize ban of other services by making a commit with Russian vpn?
This is the benefit of using distributed tools like git.
Yeah, the code history is the easiest thing to migrate. The other stuff like issues relies on having a good exporting/importing tool on both sides.
Yea tons of devs treat all of these platforms like the central host, but you can host it on all of them at once lol
Wonder if there's a tool for compiling all issues from seperate sources to allow devs with repos hosted on several different platforms to respond easier.
Also feels like a way to get repeat issues more frequently
Yea, would probably call for integrating the actual issues into git too lol
organic maps ftw!
Ooh, I didn't know that someone had developed a mechanism to move issues and PRs.
I remember commenting on the fact that while it's easy to move the source repo itself from location to location, as git makes that easy and self-contained, issues and PRs didn't enjoy that.
You can easily do that with forgejo/gitea. However, you cannot sync these issues, that's a one-off operation.
You can however totally sync the git repo - either out of the box or using web hooks/git hooks.
YMMV. I've seen issues in migration from Gitea to Codeberg. Always test first.
Ouch, and that is with Gitea and Codeberg being essentially the same software.
I bet you could sync issues if you were bored enough. It'd be a pipeline that you have to maintain and two way syncs are a pain to maintain, but I bet it's doable
A bit of a different tone from when they announced that they were blocked. It was much more neutral (GitHub enforcing US law).