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Greenland plans to ban foreign political funding over Trump-led election fears
(www.theguardian.com)
Foreign and corporate. Anything over $2000 from an entity.
this post was submitted on 03 Feb 2025
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We need this in Canada
This should be banned everywhere by default.
Completely fucked the USA, and it'll do the same anywhere else it's not explicitly made illegal.
They also should block Xitter altogether.
Everyone should.
Every country should just make the USA illegal. Nothing specific, just the USA in general.
Good on ya fellas. Don't allow our Orange Idiot fuck with you.
This is the best preventative measure they can do for now. Musk and other actors can dump massive amounts of money into elections to sway them and many of these democracies haven’t been challenged from outside like this before.
Foreign political funding should be banned everywhere by default. It makes no sense to let foreign interests muck about in your domestic policy.
Even local political funding should be banned. Elections should be funded by the state with each candidate getting the same amount of exposure.
I’m okay with funding from constituents, with strict caps on amounts. That way people who have lots of public support get more funding, but a wealthy person can’t outspend someone else.
No funding from corporations, and no anonymous funding.
We already have too many narcissistic leaders everywhere because they can be superficially charming and build up loads of useful connections. It makes sense to have a cut-off for who gets funding at all, but they should all get the same amount of exposure.
Andrew Yang has a great term for this:
Also his term for UBI:
Great naming lol. Like who could hate something called "Freedom Dividend" and "Democracy Dollars" 😅 (Magats would hate it, they hate democracy)
Other Policies, if you're interested: https://2020.yang2020.com/policies/?tab=all
If ranked choice was a thing, I'd probably rank Yang #1, Bernie #2. (Since Yang would probabky never get elected, so I might as well give him the #1 ranking, his ideas are cool)
I used to be interested in the things Andrew Yang had to say back in 2020, especially with regard to UBI, but I'm really put off by him now. His whole schtick is a libertarian technocratic utopian fantasy. The expansion of welfare while simultaneously sucking up to oligarchs is just a way to preserve the capitalist status quo. He wants to breathe new life into the machine that's exploiting us and destroying the planet.
His vision for the future is basically just the UN as depicted in The Expanse.
Lol yea, dude is a capitalist, but I mean like... I still like him better than like... Joe Biden 🤮
That sounds like a system that would be rife for abuse.
Yeah, good thing no one can abuse the current system by having a lot of money.
Depends on which current system you mean. I'm Canadian, and while it's not perfect, it's a pretty good system.
Fair point, I assumed we were talking about US even though that wasn't strictly specified. I'm not Canadian so you probably know more than I would, but I'm pretty sure Canada has it's own systemic problems.
I assumed we were talking about US
Well, the article's about Greenland, but I guess Ameri-centrism is par for the course.
I’m pretty sure Canada has it’s own systemic problems.
Sure, but I don't think our donation rules are big systematic problems. Our rules don't allow donations from foreign sources or companies, and include pretty reasonable limits for individuals (plus 75% of political donations are refunded next tax year). We have definitely had donation scandals, but they've almost exclusively been because people are breaking the rules.
How? You get a certain amount of funds to be spent on specific regulated activities if you pass a threshold of signatures.
A non-serious campaign could use those funds to enrich themselves/others even with approved activities. They could pay for staff, buy signs, etc. and all those people & businesses would make money doing legitimate work for a campaign whose only purpose was to employ those people/businesses.
Not if staff and signs were only provided by the government. It no doubt comes with its own set of problems, but given what we've seen with open campaign finance, I think those wouldn't hold a candle to what we have now.
TBH, that sounds even worse, and I am saying this as a fan of big government.
I agree in principle, but in practice it’s tricky. You must have courts that are strong enough to throw out election results if foreign interference can be proven. This has recently happened in Romania, but there are also many examples in which these laws were meaningless. The US is the obvious case where the 2016 election result should have been thrown out, but nothing happened. For the Brexit vote I think some pretty meaningless fines were handed out.
Another question is what should happen with foreign interference that is not financial in nature. For instance, Musk speaking at AFD, or the Meta algorithms pushing political content.
Both EU and UK should do the same.
At least Germany already does it. On the federal level the maximum donation for non-EU citizens/corporations is 1000 Euro, which is why the Bundestag is investigating Musk giving Weidel a platform as if you were to buy that kind of reach you'd pay way more than 1k. It's generally the parties which get fined for accepting. Donations over 10k must be publicised, over I think 35k immediately. State law is generally similar.
It's not a bad plan in general, really. Maybe the US should look into and rectify issues that may already exist around political funding.
And Canada
That's already the law in Canada:
Only individuals who are Canadian citizens or permanent residents can make contributions to registered parties, electoral district associations, candidates, leadership contestants and nomination contestants.
Beautiful
Funny that when Georgia does it, it's anti-democratic.
Pull your tongue out of Putin's arse.
Dogs do that.
I don’t think tanks, missiles and boots on the ground cares too much about elections! Trump is a facist and he’ll use the American empire military and economic force to bend other nations to his will!
If he decides to go to war on multiple fronts with no one backing him up, I don't think it will go well for him.
There's always russia and Isreal.
They're both a little busy at the moment. I don't think they have people to send to Greenland and Panama.
I really do think that a war of bald faced imperial oligarchic aggression would trigger the collapse of the union.