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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Why 5000 mAh rather than just 5 Ah?

[–] ott@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The vast majority of cell phones use a single-cell Li-Ion battery, so their capacities can be directly compared using mAh. Laptops almost always contain multi-cell Li-Ion batteries, so their capacity cannot be directly compared using mAh (e.g. a 4S battery rated for 2500mAh has more energy than a 3S battery rated for 3000mAh).

So why don't we use Wh for phones too? Simply because manufacturers would rather advertise a battery size of five thousand mAh (wow, so much capacity!) instead of 19 Wh.

The same issue happens with portable USB battery packs - they're all advertised in mAh even though they use a wide variety of chemistries and cell configurations internally. What manufacturers do is take the total Wh of the pack and convert it back to the equivalent mAh of a single-cell Li-Ion. It's annoying, and I really wish they would just use Wh directly.

[–] HeckGazer@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wh is a unit of energy, Ah is a unit of electric charge, basically how many physical electrons passed by.

The voltage of a battery goes down gradually as it is discharged, so getting an accurate value for total energy dissipated is very complicated, as this varies greatly with the discharge profile and other physical factors like the age/health of the battery.

The one thing that stays constant is the amount of electric charge a battery can provide. If it's old, the voltage of that charge will be lower and go down quicker, but it will be the same total charge.

I agree from a consumer point of view, joules would be a friendlier unit, however it is also a lot easier to game. Electric charge is a much more definite unit in an electrical engineering sense.

If any of what I said is confusing please ask me to clarify, I'm assuming a basic level of electronic literacy but it's hard to know what knowledge I'm taking for granted as an ex electrical engineer.

[–] Thavron@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

it's hard to know what knowledge I'm taking for granted as an ex electrical engineer.

As always, a relevant XKCD

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Generally Li-ion (3.7V nominal) batteries were used so they could just base it off of current usage rather than power usage and you could get a decent idea comparing between smart phones.

Laptop batteries tend to use an operating voltage of multiple times that (2-cells would use 7.4V-ish, 3-cell would be 10.8 to 11.4V nominal, 4-cell would be 14.8V and so on), but the number of cells can vary wildly per model, so Wh is easier to compare numbers between laptops.

[–] thericcer@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

EE Here, I like this answer.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Laptops predate cell phones in mainstream use. When laptops started, there were a variety of battery types in use with no standard charging voltage so Wh was the fair way to compare.

Cell phones have pretty much always been 3.7v lithium so mAh is a fair comparison and gives a bigger number than Wh.

[–] zomtecos@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

You could just put it in mWh. BAM, bigger number.

3000 mAh * 3.7V = 11.100 mWh Much bigger. Much better.

I hate mAh… it’s absolutely no information how much energy is inside without taking the voltage into account. If you use directly (m)Wh, you directly have the amount of energy the battery can contain.