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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/6846087

Full disclosure on Friday night my brother chill-left showed me this conversation and I believe it is worth sharing.

“Teia Rabishu” has been the top mod of antiwork since the massive scandal of a moderator appearing on Tucker Carlson who spoke about their part time job as a dogwalker. She appears not to understand the concept of the Overton window. Her defense of the decision to ban, “Platforms affiliated with the CCP, such as TikTok and Rednote, because China is a hostile foreign government and these platforms constitute information warfare.” despite the opposition of the moderators and users of the sub is suspicious, unethical, and totalitarian. In typical “dictator fashion”, her entire stance seems to be “china bad” and she constantly argues via logical fallacies. Not only this but, “Caledric” from the beginning of being a moderator for antiwork openly admits to working for US intelligence and expresses sympathy as well as agreement to their ideological framing and conclusions. “Teia” defends and supports “Caledric” as well as upholds the ideological anti-communism and red scare propaganda which led to this entire debacle.

This document and photos where leaked by u/chill-left before he was banned from the anti-work subreddit. He was a moderator dissenting within their internal communication discord. The supposed reason for his ban was calling for democratic elections to replace the head moderator of the antiwork subreddit. As well as disagreeing with “Teia Rabishu”.

Please share this with any interested individuals or parties, especially anyone associated with antiwork.

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[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 72 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Can we talk about the irony of a fed banning a 'tankie' for asking they implement democratic measures for there userbase lmao

[–] manicdave@feddit.uk 22 points 4 days ago

Doesn't that just describe 80 years of US foreign policy?

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 79 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Reddits antiwork has at least one openly fed mod

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 71 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Caledric — Today at 7:05 PM Did you miss the part where I said I was fucking part of the US Intelligence network and had first hand knowledge of how they were using the platform, and their plans on how to manipulate people with it? You are exactly the type of apologist that they were seeking to create. Someone who will blindly defend them with whataboutisms and turn a very specific issue into a wide general issue.

New Navy Seal copypasta deng-smile

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Just so everyone here knows. If Teia Rabishu is removed as topmod the subreddit will fall back into leftist control. They are the sole barrier to completely fixing that subreddit.

I won't explain why I know this information or how it would be fixed but it would be quite drastic.

Just in case anyone here has the skillset to make that happen.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'll go across the hall and ask them to step down

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 22 points 5 days ago
[–] REgon@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

the-doohickey

Merking a Redditmod would be very fitting for leftist adventurism lol.

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[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 68 points 5 days ago (3 children)

@chill-left My argument is that it's got nothing to do with the state actually. If your argument is to ban TikTok because the Chinese may have access to information or make the algorithms favor them or something you also need to ban every American social media site including youtube and reddit.

Teia Rabishu — Today at 5:32 PM This is the standard tankie argument and it's designed to ensure that nothing gets done, rather than operating in good faith.

chill-left — Today at 5:32 PM Dude you say everything you don't like is tankie.

Fucking taaaaannnkkkiiieeessa!!!

[–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is the standard tankie argument and it's designed to ensure that nothing gets done, rather than operating in good faith.

You have the ability to ban every site including reddit, why don't you do it then. Getnothingdoner

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[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Time to start calling people who cry tankie feds

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 61 points 5 days ago (1 children)

@chill-left What's the deal with the "china is a hostile foreign government" thing? Hostile to who exactly? Do we seriously think China is a threat to American people in any way? They're not even a threat to the US ruling class let alone average citizens.

Teia Rabishu — Today at 5:28 PM Yes, we do think they're a threat to the average citizens. Believing that they have the people's interests in mind is as foolish as believing the USSR had the people's interests in mind.

Nerds the USSR and some-controversy are a threat to the average amerikkkan treatler

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 45 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How are they a threat? They just are, OK?! They're a threat because I said so!

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 58 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

ciaqin-shi-huangdi-fireball

Honestly the reason I'm against allowing Tik-Tok and Rednote posts on the sub is because China is well known to be one of the absolute worst countries as far as worker treatment and worker's rights go. Also banning tik tok and rednote does not hurt the chinese workers in the slighest. A) Chinese workers have no access to Tik Tok, it is the international version of Rednote owned and used by the Chinese government to push out propaganda to the world as well as gather information. Rednote does the same thing just internally. Both are completely state run and used as a tool to suppress Chinese workers from getting information outside of what the government wants them to know.

everyone in rednote is a spy send by xi jinping guys xinternet

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 57 points 5 days ago

Both are completely state run and used as a tool to suppress Chinese workers from getting information outside of what the government wants them to know.

Unlike most American social media that ban you for saying "free Palestine"

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Makes you wonder if they know that Coca Cola hired death squads to go after workers in Colombia.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 28 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Makes you wonder if they know that Coca Cola hired death squads to go after workers in Colombia.

If they don't, they'll say you're being a bad faith whataboutism tankie; and if they do, they'll say it was good, actually, because those death squads were killing leftists.

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[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 29 points 5 days ago

They see them at the Christmas parties so probably

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They can't even get their lies straight. Tiktok isn't the international version of Rednote, it's the international version of Douyin. Rednote is more like Instagram in the experience (except not a fucking cesspool)

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[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 27 points 5 days ago

Honestly the reason I'm against allowing Tik-Tok and Rednote posts on the sub is because China is well known to be one of the absolute worst countries as far as worker treatment and worker's rights go.

yeah-buddy

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 45 points 5 days ago

this dude basically says he’s been unemployed for years but somehow has “firsthand knowledge” that china is using tiktok to brainwash “sympathizers”

in other words he has a porn addiction from not working and wants to blame china

[–] blame@hexbear.net 50 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

i wonder if someone could basically take marxist theory and change the terminology around and have people actually get into it. I read this article that I think was from antiwork earlier and the author basically reinvented the idea of surplus value but called it something like "privatization of progress". They're reaching for it but man their brains are so fucking broken from years of anticommunist education and cold war and anti-china propaganda.

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

in addition to actively anticommunist brainworms, there is the more passive ignorance of marxism's existence and what it claims to explain. it takes a person deliberately seeking out marxist theory to be exposed to it. there is no marxism floating around in the corporate media zeitgeist for people to just casually understand. the person you mentioned might be receptive

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[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Military and its contractors like to feel cooler than they actually are. This guy bragging about being part of the intelligence community is not that different than wearing tacticool gear and pretending you’re John Wick.

I believe this guy was part of (un)intelligence work, but I don’t believe he’s as cool as he wants to appear. Just a random marine who was made to shitpost on forums for four years before he got out, propagandized the whole time about how scary China is.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 4 days ago

Every person I talked to who works in "intelligence" tries to gloss over how they sat in an office chair twiddling their thumbs for 8 hours / day, 15 years, inside of a facility that doesn't let you bring your personal devices inside.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago

They're pencil pushing office jockies who's greatest threat to life is getting their ass beat by another soldier at a bar for trying to make themselves sound cooler than they actually are.

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[–] iie@hexbear.net 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

is this information being posted anywhere that antiwork users can see it?

[–] Spike@hexbear.net 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't look like it, unless we advertise this post over there

[–] iie@hexbear.net 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

We might not need to. I've seen multiple upvoted comments on the sub calling the mods feds.

*This is the thread I looked in https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/1i79k8z/x_meta_and_ccpaffiliated_content_is_no_longer/

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 37 points 5 days ago

Can't say I'm surprised. Reddit in its entirety is an op

[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 30 points 5 days ago

Just one? Could’ve sworn it was more. fedposting

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 39 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Merari01 — Today at 6:02 PM My worry atm is that we will not live this down, same as we haven't lived down "dogwalker" and will in perpetua be confronted with leftwing reddit seeing us as an enemy. Unless we publicly say "we made a small error and based on feedback we're reversing this decision" (edited)

I forgot about the dogwalker! This person is right though, they will be viewed as the enemy.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

thinking-about-it maybe when you have someone on your team who is openly a fed you're gonna be making leftists angry, yeah

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

brow I hope I don't make anyone angry

[–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

This is called foreshadowing, or maybe lampshading depending on how convinced you are that Hexbear is a fed site

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

i'm sure nobody will be fed up with you

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[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 33 points 5 days ago

Yeah they're not going to be avoiding the dog walker allegations anytime soon lmao

[–] Esoteir@hexbear.net 37 points 5 days ago

i got to the part where the mod started unironically quoting 1984 newspeak and then had to dip before i pulled a muscle from cringing

1984

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 25 points 5 days ago

This means that feds know the word “tankie” and use it lol

[–] Juice@midwest.social 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I joined the anti work discord a few years ago and left almost immediately because I was convinced they were a fed op. Granted I dont recognize these people so I can't say that these are the same mods I was arguing with, and my other comrades discouraged me from taking that view so I just dropped it. That was a few years ago and I'm a bit more even keeled in my interactions these days. I can't say for sure if I was right but the vibes were terrible. So like, I'm not sure if this qualifies either, but I'm not nor would i be surprised.

Although saying that a reddit sub is infiltrated by feds is like saying a 5 year old's birthday party is infiltrated by kindergarteners. Its like, wtf did you expect?

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[–] iie@hexbear.net 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If they hate algospeak, they should ban youtube too.

(algospeak is using weird puns and euphamisms to get around word filters)

[–] dustcommie@hexbear.net 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

ZiggoCiP - he/him GMT-5 — Today at 3:46 PM That's what I thought. [3:48 PM] They have an assortment of their own native (stolen from western ones of course) versions of said platforms if I'm not mistaken. Certainly would be easier to influence westerners if they got on said platforms. Like Cal pointed out, Tiktok as we see it isn't what it is in China.

The self admitted fed (Caledric) comments from the images9/27/2022 2:31 I was an Intel Analyst in the Marines

9/27/2022 2:33am I'm undecided if I'm going back into the intel field after I get my degree. Just started back up in college as a 41 year old man... I'm older than 2 of my profs lol. Right now probably just going to do cyber security

9/27/2022 2:39am Being a fucking idiot who turned down 3 job offers in NC to move back to Western PA where my family lived cause I thought for sure I could find a job in Pittsburgh doing intel shit..

10/2/2022 11:49pm I was an Intel Specialist in the Marines and my Major is Security Risk & Analysis with an Intel Analysis option... so information security is kinda my gig

Just Caledric's messages from the discord convo

Caledric — Today at 6:57 PM Personally I say China bad because I have first hand knowledge and accounts of the things they have done or intended to do with various things like Tik Tok, Video Games, etc that are mass marketed to the public but completely banned in China itself. No I can't expand on that because I am not stupid enough to share top secret information on the internet like those dumbfucks on the War Thunder forums. Suffice it to say if you knew about the shit you did they would be a much bigger threat than Elon.

Caledric — Today at 7:01 PM No banning Tik tok is NOT Stupid. Tik Tok is a Chinese Psyop and nothing more. People are litterally addicted to it and will act out in violence due to their addiction and subtle programing. For fuck sakes there have been several stories of Teenagers committing violence just because of the THREAT of Tik Tok being banned. Biden said he had no intentions on enforcing the tik tok ban during the last days of his presidency and left it to Trump to enforce. As soon as Biden said he was not going to ban it China released their statement Via tik tok that they were shutting down because it was being banned. Then the day after suddenly the new President who created a crypto coin that China invested in to the tune of Billions, said he was going to save Tik Tok and then Tik tok puts out an announcement praising the purchased president.

Caledric — Today at 7:05 PM Did you miss the part where I said I was fucking part of the US Intelligence network and had first hand knowledge of how they were using the platform, and their plans on how to manipulate people with it? You are exactly the type of apologist that they were seeking to create. Someone who will blindly defend them with whataboutisms and turn a very specific issue into a wide general issue.

Caledric — Today at 7:08 PM I was during my time in the Marines. It was my MOS. [7:08 PM] My theater of specialization was Asia.

Caledric — Today at 7:10 PM Leon is absolutely trying to replicate it, he's just not smart enough to keep it subtle.

Caledric — Today at 7:13 PM Lol you think it's only Half?

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 26 points 5 days ago (2 children)

My theater of specialization was Asia.

orly, I never would've guessed. They're actually taking this fed's words at face value when he's admitting that he's got an agenda.

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 19 points 5 days ago

The odds of the fed being a former Radio Free Asia (HK) branch employee being forced out after the National Security bill is low, but not zero.

Meaning Xi potentially personally ruined his life and saved several hotel bar staff from this drunk Yankee sex pest after 2019.

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[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 24 points 5 days ago

Damn, hope he's right about China's nefarious secret plans

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