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I asked Chat-GPT aboout Elon's salute, just for fun, and it replied it could not analyse pictures and I needed to describe it to him. I had pictures analysed before, even traslating and explaining a cartoon joke. I tought it could be caused by the .webp format. So I retried the joke image and it worked fine. I uploaded a png of Elon and it went wrong. Can others repeat the experience or was it just a fluke? I am not angry just let down a little.

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[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 111 points 1 week ago (3 children)

suggested it was fake, in part because it depicts a "controversial handgesture". asked to clarify, it names the roman salute.

[–] PapstJL4U@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

to be honest elon using the nazi salute was probably not in the training data or high up on the probability chart.

As far as I know Elon although has beef with OpenAi.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

to be honest elon using the nazi salute was probably not in the training data

That's not how it works. If the training data had to include specific people doing specific things it'd be useless. Instead, the training let's it infer individual image elements from different sources. It never had to be trained on orange pentagons to be able identify "orange" and "pentagon" from an image of an orange pentagon.

[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago

didnt want to suggest this was a response purpose-made for this image. still i find it worrying that instead of admitting it doesnt know this image/ cant tell if its fake or real, it instead directly jumps to "fake"

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

or high up on the probability chart.

Well well well turns out artificial “intelligence” isn’t so intelligent after all

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Open AI is in it for the money. Musk has money.

I explained it for everyone. You're welcome.

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I fucking hate the term '''''roman''''' salute soooooooo much.

[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

it also suggested that the gesture did actually originate in ancient rome. when i said that thats not true and the picture is real, it then agreed that the gesture originated in fascist italy, but also suggested the picture should be viewed in the "broader context of the event" lol

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago

That's exactly why I hate it. Fascists love nothing more than making up a past that never existed and idolising it.

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 97 points 1 week ago (3 children)

fwiw i tried the same thing a few hours after the photo came out and it told me the photo must be fake and i need to be careful about misinformation

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 81 points 1 week ago (3 children)

To be fair....based on it knowing who it is, and what he's doing, if you hadn't seen it with your own eyes it doesn't sound plausible. Like if you heard that there was nazi salutes being done at the official presidential inauguration, you'd think "ah, this guys exaggerating. He probably made a small gesture that's being taken out of context"

Except no. He full on did a nazi salute. Enthusiastically at that. And then he thought "Oh, my bad, the people in the back probably couldn't see that. LET ME DO ANOTHER NAZI SALUTE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK BEHIND ME!"

And he did it A SECOND time!

It's not chatGPTs fault it's unable to discern absurdity from reality at this point. You can't blame the program for what life has become. I fully expect The Onion to publish an article over the next 4 years that just says "We give up. Fuck it. We can't make up crazier shit than NPR at this rate."

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I am so glad I watched the video. Seeing his arm in motion really drives it home. (Skip ahead about 17 seconds to spare yourself the agony of hearing his voice.)

Talking about his “heart” was obviously only included as an incredibly weak attempt at an excuse for the salute. I’m sure there are apologists out there who have lapped it up, though.

[–] EonNShadow@pawb.social 14 points 1 week ago

Actual Nazi Nick Fuentes is on video saying "that is a genuine, bonafide Roman Salute" (paraphrasing)

Saw that on The Humanist Report's coverage of it today, who, jokingly, tried giving Musk as much "benefit of the doubt" or "leeway" as he could, while citing sources like Fuentes.

Musk is a card carrying Nazi, same as the rest.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Like my dad

No response after that obviously. It would break his brain to accept this is happening.

[–] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sending soyjacks to your father is a choice.

Not necessarily a bad choice just not one I’d make.

Always interesting to see the American boomer perspective from the front lines.

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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I think your dad might have been objecting more to your language and tone, than to what you were actually saying. Not that your dad isn't a tad naive with his taken liberties, but you'd win his ear more if you talked to him with a little bit of mutual respect.

Always keep in mind: this is the guy who fed you when you couldn't feed yourself

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[–] GeoGio7@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No offense but you're kind of cringey. Your dad is an idiot but so are you

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Oh, I've seen the appologists here on Lemmy hours after he did it. I downvoted them and told them to fuck off.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

He didn't just do another Nazi salute, he did it at the fucking flag.

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I was this guy. People on here were calling the party of Trump nazis. (I'm not US and keep forgetting the names of you parties) I thought they were being stupidly accelerating. Now I'm convinced. The nazis themselves convinced me. Problem is that them publicly doing nazi stuff will not change anything. They could hang brown people in the capitol and it would change nothing.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

Nothing and Noone has ever gaslit me more than AI's. Seriously.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah it also offered me to analyse it for fake, but refused to look at it otherwise, it disapeared the whole conversation after the warning you see on my post. Could be because I had reached the GPT-4 limit for the day, but I dont remember having conversation disapear from the list.

[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

Interesting. I might try it tomorrow and see if it gives me the same answer as you got or something completely different. Maybe more users asking about it will change the output, or maybe they already have the guardrails set.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The real mildly infuriating is wasting resources on countless Lemmy servers with drivel from chatgpt.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

I'll give you that, and will keep it in mind.

[–] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is very likely a discussion of censorship.

Edit: to be clear, chatgpt's censorship of musk talk. A lot of people get information from chatgpt now the same way they get information from any other internet source. I think it's an appropriate discussion.

[–] Kyatto@leminal.space 32 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Y'all need better AI :) The one I "use" gives a good argument in favor of the musk is a fascist interpretation

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We would need to see the input too. You can coach an AI response easily.

[–] Kyatto@leminal.space 4 points 1 week ago

First question:

And what you are replying to is the output from my second question:

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Musk is a capitalist. OpenAI is owned by capitalists. Draw your conclusions from that.

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[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

maybe they have an elon filter

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

the picture no I admit it can be very infuriating, Personally it got me cautiously worried. Chat GPT getting crashed when asking about the picture however is mildly. As its not an essential service and I can make my own mind, that was curiosity.

[–] FeloniousPunk@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago
[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I imagine there's something in there working to prevent deepfakes.

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