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Good analysis of what options (or lack of) the west has with their commitment to killing Ukranians.

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[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I did read a bit of that tankie garbage and this is the funniest bit I reached:

For Russia, the war is existential.

Russia can stop murdering Ukrainians at any time without anyone caring for Russian land or the existence of Russia. It's nothing more than a paranoid fantasy that anyone in "the West" would want to invade Russia. They could have just stuck to selling resources to Europe and the rest of the world, but instead they chose to attack their neighbour.

If you really build your world view on a foundation like this article you are completely lost - at least outside Russia. You might make a career in Moscow, though.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's nothing more than a paranoid fantasy that Russia will invade Poland, but it seems like most people here think they will if we don't send Ukranians to their deaths..

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Can you show me where the West threatend to invade Russia? Because Russians do so regularly. Calling that "paranoid" is just willfull ignorance for the sake of being an asshole.

Same for your casual insinuation that the West is "sending Ukrainians to their deaths". The only one forcing them to fight is Russians crossing the border and murdering Ukrainians.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry, can you show me where the Russians have actually threatened to invade eastern Europe since 1991?

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Haha you adding that disclaimer "since 1991" is the funniest thing. Russia losing their occupation of Poland does not undo anything that happened before. But here are some examples for you to completely ignore:

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1516883853431955456

https://poland.postsen.com/news/43034/Ramzan-Kadyrov-is-raving-again-and-threatening-Poland-First-in-line-after-capturing-Kiev--News-from-the-world.html

We are already working on a plan for the demilitarization of NATO countries, and Poland is the first in the line after the capture of Kiev

We are ready to take Kyiv and NATO countries without any problems on orders. Our combat-hardened units will not be able to resist any army in the world. We have experience, arsenal, faith, patriotism, idea and truth! The West does not yet understand how strong we are

I'm sure you'll manage to find more if you care.

So why do you believe that Russia's selfimposed fear of invasion is not a paranoid delusion?

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh of we're just talking about random senators or TV personalities then yeah Russia has lots of people that want to restore the Soviet union. I meant from people at their MOF or MOD, or in the presidents office, people who's threats would carry weight beyond playing to domestic politics.

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's cute that you try to talk it down but prominent figures in Russia are talking about invading Europe, murdering its people and eradicating cities.

And no one West of the Russian border cares one bit about moving the Russian border even a meter eastwards. The claim that Nato is a threat to Russia is a sad lie it tells itself to justify its imperialism.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You seem to be ignoring your talking heads vs the Russian ones..

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What am I ignoring? That it's a complete waste of time engaging with you because you never acknowledge that you are a liar?

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's hard to spell it out for you more clearly. There are plenty of people in the US and Europe advocating for the break up of Russia.

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You still have not provided any proof for the idiotic claim that anyone wants to threatens Russia. It remains a fantasy to justify Russian imperialism, nothing more. Just like a bot you only spew more and more of your BS hoping anything would stick without ever acknowledging that you have been called out for your lies.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are you trying to rebrand useful idiot to no longer mean dumbasses who repeat Moscows fairytales 😂? That'll be as successfull as Russia claiming it did not start WW2 together with the Nazis to eat up Poland.

Also your link is a fictional opinion piece by some "journalist". The comment below the article gives a great summary:

JHC this is one of the worst examples of ‘fantasy realism’ I’ve ever seen. I don’t doubt that the US motives aren’t stellar and never have been but good god man, russia has shown itself for over 400 years to be a brutal imperialist terrorist state and is slaughtering, raping, torturing Ukrainian civilians (men, women, AND children) in a godawful genocide (can’t say that word here? I don’t see a trace of it). You know damn well what would happen in occupied territories if ‘negotiations’ were carried out before russia was thoroughly kicked out of Ukraine and defeated. Putin apologist/tankie is what I see here.

So still no one in the West threatening Russian territorial integrity. (Because no one gives a shit about that crap land, all we ever wanted was to just buy your resources and let it be)

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your chauvanism is showing 🤡

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think you don't even know what that word means. And you just keep running in circles, ignoring reality.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ahh logical fallacies. Always the backup when someone loses an argument.

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bro there is no argument where fallacies could have taken place. You never engaged in one and stuck to spreading your lies.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just a bit of education for you. When engaging in a discussion with someone, like you replying to my comments and me to you (that's a discussion), attacking the individual instead of the argument is called an Ad Hominem attack. Look it up. You've already lost your position and my respect, I'm just trying to help you out here.

[–] anteaters@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You ignoring any arguments that don't align with your worldview while not providing any yourself is not a discussion. Also note that I don't care about the respect of a Russia apologist - to me you are just as pathetic as the nazis running around these days. Your "position" was lost from the start but you really cannot see it - or just don't want to.

[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago
[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 2 years ago

Jesus Christ read a fucking book. Russia was invaded twice through its border with Ukraine. Want to guess who did it and why?

The first invasion was Napoleon, of France, of Western Europe, of the North Atlantic. Why? Because it would be beneficial to the Western order to control the resources, eliminate competition, and subjugate the people.

The second invasion was the Third Reich, of Germany, of Western Europe, of the North Atlantic. Why? The same reasons as Napoleon plus two more. One, because European fascism arose in response to the successful creation of the world's first workers' state, the Third Reich was hell bent on not merely controlling Russia but also ending the project for worker states. Second, because the Third Reich sought to replicate the great success of the USA in subjugating natives and blacks and extracting hyperprofits from them without giving them opportunity for revolt and wanted to apply the same program to the Slavs of Eastern Europe and Russia.

In both of those invasions, Russia was under an existential threat and lost a massive number of lives. Both of these invasions were across the border with Ukraine.

Now we have NATO, helmed by the USA (who the Third Reich emulated) staffed originally by literal Nazi officers as part of the USA's leave-behind project which distributed Nazis all over Europe, as part of the larger pattern of the USA's participation in the Nazi project through Operation Gladio and Operation Paperclip. Now we have a nuclear army staffed by Nazis by the country the Nazis emulated that trained Nazis and used Nazis and voted against condemning Nazis and currently has Nazis marching publicly domestically and has been arming and funding Nazis for decades. And that nuclear army has been expanding its presence and logistics and supply chains and recruiting and training operations across Europe and after training and arming Nazis in Ukraine for years and after supporting a coup and hand picking the leader to take the place of the democratically elected leader, after all that, NATO finally has a chance of moving its military presence into Ukraine.

And you don't think that represents an existential threat to Russia? You think the motivations of Napoleon and the Third Reich are gone? You think the economics and geopolitics have changed so much that no one could possibly have any further interests that would lead them to attempting to subjugate Russia?

Read. Do everyone a favor and stop putting your ignorance as though it's a position and read something.